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Things will have to get worse, so folks will see direct impact on their lives, not just some reports in news. That's crossing the line even dimmer part of popul

Things will have to get worse, so folks will see direct impact on their lives, not just some reports in news. That's crossing the line even dimmer part of population will react to, since it will be sort of survival instinct. Probably not valid for Alaska. But yeah we 'lost' in past few years non-trivial part of population and the correction is nowhere in sight. Discussion doesn't seem to be possible, facts on one side and bad emotions on the other are missing each other pretty badly.

avgcorrection 3y ago
Please. Rational people like researchers for the petroleum industry have known about this for many decades and yet (because of their employment) worked against the truth. Meanwhile rational people who believe it and are telling the truth have no radical solutions, only bike-to-work platitudes. I don't care about conspiracy theory losers. They're not powerful enough to put the blame on. At least not the majority of it.
finite_depth 3y ago
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dsego 3y ago
> direct impact on their lives Even then, they will just say it's always been like this, that's what young people born in 2000s are saying now.
mrpopo 3y ago
Things have already gone worse for many groups of people. Economically: fishermen, businesses near low-altitude ski stations, mediterranean farmers (Spain, Italy, Greece, Maghreb). Quality of life-wise: Iran, Northern African countries now have to live with 45-50C temperatures every summer. Disasters-wise: increased intensity of floods in South-East Asia, China, Taiwan, South Korea during rainy season, ... The list goes on. The thing is, QOL improvements based on economic growth often counter-balance these in the short term. But growth is slowing down and warming is speeding up.
- jeffbee 3y ago
  > Northern African countries now have to live with 45-50C temperatures every summer 20 dead bodies were brought into the morgue in Phoenix AZ every day last week. They have a backlog of over 300 unexplained deaths from July alone. You don't have to go as far as Africa to find unlivable conditions.
  - gottorf 3y ago
    To bring a counterbalancing perspective, in Europe at least, there are an order (or two, depending on the country) of magnitude more deaths from cold than from heat[0]. I'd imagine the US, being a primarily northern latitude country, has a similar story. As for the Phoenix numbers, I assume you're referencing this situation[1]; as of a week ago, Maricopa County had 24 confirmed heat-associated death year-to-date, with another 249 deaths under investigation. Maricopa County has four and a half million people, over 60% of Arizona's population; even if all 249 deaths under investigation end up being heat-related, that's still way fewer than deaths from diabetes, suicide, or drug overdoses[2] (reasonably assuming that the causes of death in Maricopa County are proportional to that of the state of Arizona as a whole). That is to say; "unlivable" is a stretch. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(23)00023-2/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-maricopa-county-phoenix-medical-examiner-capacity-heat/story?id=101739924 https://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-maricopa-county-phoenix-me... [2]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/arizona/arizona.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/arizona/arizona.ht...
    - jeffbee 3y ago
      As of this week it's 39 confirmed and 312 under investigation. The "under investigation" ones always turn out heat-caused or -related, because that's how summer goes in Phoenix. The number of confirmed heat-caused deaths in Phoenix doubled in the three years to 2022 and quadrupled in the 10 years to 2022. A cause of death doesn't have to double very many times before it becomes a leading cause. The crude deaths among 4.5 million people would be expected to be about 37000 people per year, so over 400 heat-caused deaths is already substantial. If it increases by only 20% it will be a top-10 cause of death.

avgcorrection 3y ago

Please. Rational people like researchers for the petroleum industry have known about this for many decades and yet (because of their employment) worked against the truth. Meanwhile rational people who believe it and are telling the truth have no radical solutions, only bike-to-work platitudes. I don't care about conspiracy theory losers. They're not powerful enough to put the blame on. At least not the majority of it.

finite_depth 3y ago

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dsego 3y ago

> direct impact on their lives Even then, they will just say it's always been like this, that's what young people born in 2000s are saying now.

mrpopo 3y ago

Things have already gone worse for many groups of people. Economically: fishermen, businesses near low-altitude ski stations, mediterranean farmers (Spain, Italy, Greece, Maghreb). Quality of life-wise: Iran, Northern African countries now have to live with 45-50C temperatures every summer. Disasters-wise: increased intensity of floods in South-East Asia, China, Taiwan, South Korea during rainy season, ... The list goes on. The thing is, QOL improvements based on economic growth often counter-balance these in the short term. But growth is slowing down and warming is speeding up.

jeffbee 3y ago
> Northern African countries now have to live with 45-50C temperatures every summer 20 dead bodies were brought into the morgue in Phoenix AZ every day last week. They have a backlog of over 300 unexplained deaths from July alone. You don't have to go as far as Africa to find unlivable conditions.
- gottorf 3y ago
  To bring a counterbalancing perspective, in Europe at least, there are an order (or two, depending on the country) of magnitude more deaths from cold than from heat[0]. I'd imagine the US, being a primarily northern latitude country, has a similar story. As for the Phoenix numbers, I assume you're referencing this situation[1]; as of a week ago, Maricopa County had 24 confirmed heat-associated death year-to-date, with another 249 deaths under investigation. Maricopa County has four and a half million people, over 60% of Arizona's population; even if all 249 deaths under investigation end up being heat-related, that's still way fewer than deaths from diabetes, suicide, or drug overdoses[2] (reasonably assuming that the causes of death in Maricopa County are proportional to that of the state of Arizona as a whole). That is to say; "unlivable" is a stretch. [0]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(23)00023-2/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5... [1]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-maricopa-county-phoenix-medical-examiner-capacity-heat/story?id=101739924 https://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-maricopa-county-phoenix-me... [2]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/arizona/arizona.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/arizona/arizona.ht...
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    As of this week it's 39 confirmed and 312 under investigation. The "under investigation" ones always turn out heat-caused or -related, because that's how summer goes in Phoenix. The number of confirmed heat-caused deaths in Phoenix doubled in the three years to 2022 and quadrupled in the 10 years to 2022. A cause of death doesn't have to double very many times before it becomes a leading cause. The crude deaths among 4.5 million people would be expected to be about 37000 people per year, so over 400 heat-caused deaths is already substantial. If it increases by only 20% it will be a top-10 cause of death.