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What you wrote is well written and thought out. I do agree with the sentiment that it’s worthwhile to try to make such products. I wonder though if a large par

What you wrote is well written and thought out. I do agree with the sentiment that it’s worthwhile to try to make such products. I wonder though if a large part of the backlash has more to do with the who is behind the product than from a failed attempt. People don’t trust Google or Facebook. There are people like me who want them to fail when coming up with new products because ultimately those products, if they succeed, are going to be ad filled experiences.

darkclouds 3y ago
> if they succeed, are going to be ad filled experiences. So will self driving taxis be an experience where the passenger is bombarded with adverts projected onto all the glass so you cant see where you going? I'm surprised this has not already appeared in the US!
- cykotic 3y ago
  Seven years ago I got a taxi in Las Vegas to go from the airport to my hotel. The whole ride had ads blaring from the radio and the backseat area was filled with display ads. I’ve never taken a taxi since then. What you describe will be a thing in the U.S. if self driving becomes a thing. We already can’t get gas without being bombarded with ads. To me this fact is the main reason I hope to get an electric car someday.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > We already can’t get gas without being bombarded with ads. Thank goodness this hasn't become common in my part of the country yet. The only gas stations that do this are the ones near the major hotels that out-of-towners stay at (where the gas is also more expensive), so they're easily avoided.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > I'm surprised this has not already appeared in the US! It has, but on touchscreen displays instead of the windows. It's exceedingly terrible.
notahacker 3y ago
> People don’t trust Google or Facebook yeah, even non-HNers aren't likely to want to use hardware tied to something called "Facebook View" to manage their photos (it actually doesn't sync photos with Facebook unless you specifically ask it to never mind having any means to display ads or inject viral videos and political content into your eyeballs, but if they need to explain that...)
- vidarh 3y ago
  If they only optionally sync it's better than I thought - clearly they're explaining badly enough that even some articles I've seen about it didn't mention that was optional.
- dylan604 3y ago
  >yeah, even non-HNers aren't likely to want to use hardware tied to something called "Facebook View" The sales of Oculus Quest units seems to disagree
  - cykotic 3y ago
    People don’t trust Facebook but still use Facebook. I believe given two equally good implementations of a product the one made by Facebook will be less popular. As it stands now Oculus is the only standalone VR device and people will use it despite being owned by Facebook.
    - psd1 3y ago
      When I got my Oculus, it was half the price of the Vive. I always assumed that zuck is eating a loss to capture eyeballs.
dalbasal 3y ago
Thanks ... and sure it is. I certainly am not hoping for Meta to succeed in owning the metaverse. That said, the sentiments can add up to an impulsive "roast em!" habit that discourages risk taking, even risk thinking. It's ultimately much easier and less interesting to consider how things can fail than how they can succeed.

darkclouds 3y ago

> if they succeed, are going to be ad filled experiences. So will self driving taxis be an experience where the passenger is bombarded with adverts projected onto all the glass so you cant see where you going? I'm surprised this has not already appeared in the US!

cykotic 3y ago
Seven years ago I got a taxi in Las Vegas to go from the airport to my hotel. The whole ride had ads blaring from the radio and the backseat area was filled with display ads. I’ve never taken a taxi since then. What you describe will be a thing in the U.S. if self driving becomes a thing. We already can’t get gas without being bombarded with ads. To me this fact is the main reason I hope to get an electric car someday.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > We already can’t get gas without being bombarded with ads. Thank goodness this hasn't become common in my part of the country yet. The only gas stations that do this are the ones near the major hotels that out-of-towners stay at (where the gas is also more expensive), so they're easily avoided.
JohnFen 3y ago
> I'm surprised this has not already appeared in the US! It has, but on touchscreen displays instead of the windows. It's exceedingly terrible.

notahacker 3y ago

> People don’t trust Google or Facebook yeah, even non-HNers aren't likely to want to use hardware tied to something called "Facebook View" to manage their photos (it actually doesn't sync photos with Facebook unless you specifically ask it to never mind having any means to display ads or inject viral videos and political content into your eyeballs, but if they need to explain that...)

vidarh 3y ago
If they only optionally sync it's better than I thought - clearly they're explaining badly enough that even some articles I've seen about it didn't mention that was optional.
dylan604 3y ago
>yeah, even non-HNers aren't likely to want to use hardware tied to something called "Facebook View" The sales of Oculus Quest units seems to disagree
- cykotic 3y ago
  People don’t trust Facebook but still use Facebook. I believe given two equally good implementations of a product the one made by Facebook will be less popular. As it stands now Oculus is the only standalone VR device and people will use it despite being owned by Facebook.
  - psd1 3y ago
    When I got my Oculus, it was half the price of the Vive. I always assumed that zuck is eating a loss to capture eyeballs.

dalbasal 3y ago

Thanks ... and sure it is. I certainly am not hoping for Meta to succeed in owning the metaverse. That said, the sentiments can add up to an impulsive "roast em!" habit that discourages risk taking, even risk thinking. It's ultimately much easier and less interesting to consider how things can fail than how they can succeed.