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Would be good to know how it compares to Standard Notes[1] which is also open-source[2] [1] https://standardnotes.com https://standardnotes.com [2] https://git

Would be good to know how it compares to Standard Notes[1] which is also open-source[2] [1] https://standardnotes.com https://standardnotes.com [2] https://github.com/standardnotes/app https://github.com/standardnotes/app

pmontra 3y ago
Standard Notes has a selfhostable server and clients for mobile. Beaver Notes seems to be confined to one desktop device.
cobychapple 3y ago
Also Simplenote from the Automattic folks: https://simplenote.com/developers/ https://simplenote.com/developers/
- ukuina 3y ago
  This seems concerning: "The Service should not be used to store sensitive information such as bank account numbers, credit card information, or passwords." Why would a notes app dictate what content can be stored in it? From: https://simplenote.com/terms/ https://simplenote.com/terms/
  - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
    It’s not dictating. It’s disclaiming. They are saying they do not believe their cloud-first tool is the appropriate place for that sort of content. Simplenote is run responsibly by serious people. They are telling you what is absolutely common sense, in my mind: it’s not normal to store sensitive information on cloud notepad services you do not (and cannot!) pay for. I suspect the reason is that their continuous-sync process (which is like SubEthaEdit etc.) does not work with notes encrypted at source. Apple Notes makes more of this but it’s provided by a firm with several orders of magnitude more money and resources behind it.
    - ukuina 3y ago
      This is from their terms of service. Storing sensitive information in Simplenote is therefore a breach of ToS.
      - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
        OK, whatever. They are trying to tell you not to do something risky (for you and for them I guess). Complain about it on some abstract rights-based level all you like if you feel that it's a strange "concerning" issue. They are good people and they are doing this for the goodwill only (really: read the story about how Matt Mullenweg bought the simplenote.com domain for $29,000 and gifted it to them before he even discussed buying them out). Me, I just won't use it for sensitive stuff.
krono 3y ago
Even their fully self-hosted solution seems to come with most features locked behind paid subscriptions[1][2] which, whilst being perfectly fine on its own, is also a restriction that automatically disqualifies the software from being open source[3]. Edit: They're quite possibly violating their own licenses here, but I'm not a lawyer so don't take it as fact. [1]: https://standardnotes.com/help/48/can-i-use-extensions-with-a-self-hosted-server https://standardnotes.com/help/48/can-i-use-extensions-with-... [2]: https://standardnotes.com/help/self-hosting/subscriptions https://standardnotes.com/help/self-hosting/subscriptions [3]: https://opensource.org/osd/ https://opensource.org/osd/
drannex 3y ago
or Notesnook[1], which is also open-source, and E2E. I find it better and more reliable than SN. [1] https://notesnook.com https://notesnook.com [2] https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook

pmontra 3y ago

Standard Notes has a selfhostable server and clients for mobile. Beaver Notes seems to be confined to one desktop device.

cobychapple 3y ago

Also Simplenote from the Automattic folks: https://simplenote.com/developers/ https://simplenote.com/developers/

ukuina 3y ago
This seems concerning: "The Service should not be used to store sensitive information such as bank account numbers, credit card information, or passwords." Why would a notes app dictate what content can be stored in it? From: https://simplenote.com/terms/ https://simplenote.com/terms/
- bemusedthrow75 3y ago
  It’s not dictating. It’s disclaiming. They are saying they do not believe their cloud-first tool is the appropriate place for that sort of content. Simplenote is run responsibly by serious people. They are telling you what is absolutely common sense, in my mind: it’s not normal to store sensitive information on cloud notepad services you do not (and cannot!) pay for. I suspect the reason is that their continuous-sync process (which is like SubEthaEdit etc.) does not work with notes encrypted at source. Apple Notes makes more of this but it’s provided by a firm with several orders of magnitude more money and resources behind it.
  - ukuina 3y ago
    This is from their terms of service. Storing sensitive information in Simplenote is therefore a breach of ToS.
    - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
      OK, whatever. They are trying to tell you not to do something risky (for you and for them I guess). Complain about it on some abstract rights-based level all you like if you feel that it's a strange "concerning" issue. They are good people and they are doing this for the goodwill only (really: read the story about how Matt Mullenweg bought the simplenote.com domain for $29,000 and gifted it to them before he even discussed buying them out). Me, I just won't use it for sensitive stuff.

krono 3y ago

Even their fully self-hosted solution seems to come with most features locked behind paid subscriptions[1][2] which, whilst being perfectly fine on its own, is also a restriction that automatically disqualifies the software from being open source[3]. Edit: They're quite possibly violating their own licenses here, but I'm not a lawyer so don't take it as fact. [1]: https://standardnotes.com/help/48/can-i-use-extensions-with-a-self-hosted-server https://standardnotes.com/help/48/can-i-use-extensions-with-... [2]: https://standardnotes.com/help/self-hosting/subscriptions https://standardnotes.com/help/self-hosting/subscriptions [3]: https://opensource.org/osd/ https://opensource.org/osd/

drannex 3y ago

or Notesnook[1], which is also open-source, and E2E. I find it better and more reliable than SN. [1] https://notesnook.com https://notesnook.com [2] https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook