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I noticed this when I watched "Raw" recently [0]. It was remarkable because it portrayed horny young students hazing each other and desiring each other and plen

I noticed this when I watched "Raw" recently [0]. It was remarkable because it portrayed horny young students hazing each other and desiring each other and plenty of unselfconscious peer pressuring, which was itself depicted as covertly appreciated and desired by the girls, by way of a license to let go and have fun for a night (like how people often blame alcohol). I kept waiting for the turn or the emotional beat that called out these heinous, sexist, abusive behaviors, but it never came. I noticed something similar when watching Berlin Calling [1] where sex is used in several realistic ways, as both exciting transgression to expressing warmth, friendship and love. Raw is French; Berlin Calling German. Americans still deal with a great deal of Puritanical shame around sex, I think, and as a very fat country (the fattest ever to exist) where huge numbers are on SSRIs (with sexual side-effects) plus a divisive political climate, you get Disney Marvel sexuality. BTW if you think Disney doesn't do horny, think again. I mean, look at the "love story" in any classic animated picture. She looks at him, thinks he's hot, he looks at her, he thinks she's hot, and it's on. In at least two cases (Sleeping Beauty and Snow White) that's "love's first kiss" that's given non-consentually -- and his transgression literally saves her life. The older I get the more I realize that this naive notion of what love is actually is the core of truth; the rest of what we add is risk mitigation. In big budget American cinema, the surest way to eliminate risk is to do exactly what they've done. They aren't stupid. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_(film) 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Calling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Calling

bowsamic 3y ago
Thanks for the film recommendations. I definitely think SSRIs are a big problem, but the sex problem in general is also not just a US thing. I live in Germany and it is really bad here too. To have sex, first of all you need to meet new people, and it seems that much of the German youth have systematically eliminated all desire to meet new people.
- pjc50 3y ago
  > it seems that much of the German youth have systematically eliminated all desire to meet new people What makes you think that?
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    Talking to a bunch of Germans. They all require weeks in advanced to plan any kind of social activity, and if you ask them they admit they would rather just stay at home, and they are really cold to you for a long time (even years). Granted this is mainly scientific people but it’s still way more extreme than anything I experienced in the UK, and all of them also say it’s a general problem with the German youth too. They all value their personal time more than social time
    - cubefox 3y ago
      It's all because of smartphones and social media. We stare at screens for hours a day, and rarely meet up in person anymore. It's a global problem though.
      - javajosh 3y ago
        And 90% of the time I see young people together they're all on their phones. There's an arms race to prove who cares less about the person in front of you, by checking your phone, and we're all winning.
      - abwizz 3y ago
        i'm reasonable certain that the majority here can stare at a screen for days at a time w/o involving smarthphones or social media. but, yea, i also despise ppl wasting their in-person time with screens
        cubefox 3y ago
        I'm no stranger to this problem. Quite the opposite actually.
    - 3y ago
- abwizz 3y ago
  > To have sex, first of all you need to meet new people bummer worthwile alternative: get hooked up with someone you already know
somsak2 3y ago
>a very fat country (the fattest ever to exist) Not quite -- https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/ https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/. Kuwait seems to be the only 'big' place that's ahead of the US, but your characterization is inaccurate -- there are many middle-eastern countries right around the US's percentage.
lupire 3y ago
Raw is an extreme case of a an extreme horror movie, not insight into humanity's desires. Closer to pop culture: the drama around conflicting interpretations of the song "It's getting cold outside".
- javajosh 3y ago
  >Raw is an extreme case of a an extreme horror movie I was only commenting on the setup, not the movie itself. I didn't know what it was and when the horror started I stopped watching it. The other poster who considered it a recommendation was wrong. And in fact it may be possible to interpret the horror as punishment for licentiousness, which is a common horror trope and undermines my point.
philwelch 3y ago
> BTW if you think Disney doesn't do horny, think again. I mean, look at the "love story" in any classic animated picture. Disney used to make classic animated pictures decades ago; Disney today is not the same.

bowsamic 3y ago

Thanks for the film recommendations. I definitely think SSRIs are a big problem, but the sex problem in general is also not just a US thing. I live in Germany and it is really bad here too. To have sex, first of all you need to meet new people, and it seems that much of the German youth have systematically eliminated all desire to meet new people.

pjc50 3y ago
> it seems that much of the German youth have systematically eliminated all desire to meet new people What makes you think that?
- bowsamic 3y ago
  Talking to a bunch of Germans. They all require weeks in advanced to plan any kind of social activity, and if you ask them they admit they would rather just stay at home, and they are really cold to you for a long time (even years). Granted this is mainly scientific people but it’s still way more extreme than anything I experienced in the UK, and all of them also say it’s a general problem with the German youth too. They all value their personal time more than social time
  - cubefox 3y ago
    It's all because of smartphones and social media. We stare at screens for hours a day, and rarely meet up in person anymore. It's a global problem though.
    - javajosh 3y ago
      And 90% of the time I see young people together they're all on their phones. There's an arms race to prove who cares less about the person in front of you, by checking your phone, and we're all winning.
    - abwizz 3y ago
      i'm reasonable certain that the majority here can stare at a screen for days at a time w/o involving smarthphones or social media. but, yea, i also despise ppl wasting their in-person time with screens
      - cubefox 3y ago
        I'm no stranger to this problem. Quite the opposite actually.
  - 3y ago
abwizz 3y ago
> To have sex, first of all you need to meet new people bummer worthwile alternative: get hooked up with someone you already know

somsak2 3y ago

>a very fat country (the fattest ever to exist) Not quite -- https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/ https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/. Kuwait seems to be the only 'big' place that's ahead of the US, but your characterization is inaccurate -- there are many middle-eastern countries right around the US's percentage.

lupire 3y ago

Raw is an extreme case of a an extreme horror movie, not insight into humanity's desires. Closer to pop culture: the drama around conflicting interpretations of the song "It's getting cold outside".

javajosh 3y ago
>Raw is an extreme case of a an extreme horror movie I was only commenting on the setup, not the movie itself. I didn't know what it was and when the horror started I stopped watching it. The other poster who considered it a recommendation was wrong. And in fact it may be possible to interpret the horror as punishment for licentiousness, which is a common horror trope and undermines my point.

philwelch 3y ago

> BTW if you think Disney doesn't do horny, think again. I mean, look at the "love story" in any classic animated picture. Disney used to make classic animated pictures decades ago; Disney today is not the same.