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> This assumes that all the talent in the world has a cheaper, equally skilled counterpart in India. In the context of tech, this is true in general. > This i

by rhuru 3y ago

> This assumes that all the talent in the world has a cheaper, equally skilled counterpart in India. In the context of tech, this is true in general. > This is not true, and even if it was, why wouldn't talented Indians leave the country in search for better wages? You can't be this ignorant. Indians flock to USA, Canada, Australia, UK and numbers that are only limited by the receiving country's immigration laws. To give you an example, last week 7000 students from just one Indian state left for Canada. They rented an entire stadium to throw themselves a big farewell party. H1B visa lottery has only 85K spots in USA but is subscribed by around 300K folks. Out of which around 200K are Indians trying to come to /settle in USA. When canada created a special work permit for digital nomads who have h1b visa over 10K Indians applied for it matter of 48 hours. There is a quit India movement among Indian workers.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
> In the context of tech, this is true in general. If this was true, forty plus years of outsourcing efforts would have turned the US tech landscape into a purely legal and sales market. It is not, thus it cannot be true. > You can't be this ignorant. Indians flock to USA, Canada, Australia, UK and numbers that are only limited by the receiving country's immigration laws. So you are saying that we could replace all the talent in the western hemisphere with Indian graduates, and, at the same time, too many Indians try to immigrate to these same countries? If you knew anything about immigration law, you would understand that these two are mutually exclusive. Indians in the US or Canada will not be paid the same rates as in India.
- rhuru 3y ago
  My original comment was the following: > If you[r] job can be done 100% remotely it can also be done in India. In context of that let me examine your points: > If this was true, forty plus years of outsourcing efforts would have turned the US tech landscape into a purely legal and sales market. For many cases it already is. A ton of tech work has *already* moved to India making their US branches primarily sales offices. But as I said, not all work can be outsourced to India. A lot of it must happen in offices in USA. This work is often high value, high collaboration work, as many companies including Google and Meta have figured, 100% remote hurts their competitive edge, reduces innovation and hurts collaborative problem solving. Not all jobs need this and all those jobs can be 100% remote but they will eventually move to India or someplace else where they can be cheaper. > So you are saying that we could replace all the talent in the western hemisphere with Indian graduates, and, at the same time, too many Indians try to immigrate to these same countries? I never made such strong claim, my claim was limited to remote jobs only. Yes, every remote job that pays well can move to some other region where someone will do it better than you for a lower pay. It is not a west v/s India but that is how markets function. Indians do hire a lot of western world people for things they are cheaper for example translation and content generation. People are useful resource and jobs are not a zero sum game. When your remote job goes to India you don't become worthless, you rather find a job that is better suited for your skills and situation making your economy more resilient and efficient. My broader point however is that if you are living in one of those high cost areas like Silicon Valley or NYC or Sydney and if your employer is okay with you being 100% remote, trust me that you wont have that job for long.

by rhuru 3y ago

manuelabeledo 3y ago

> In the context of tech, this is true in general. If this was true, forty plus years of outsourcing efforts would have turned the US tech landscape into a purely legal and sales market. It is not, thus it cannot be true. > You can't be this ignorant. Indians flock to USA, Canada, Australia, UK and numbers that are only limited by the receiving country's immigration laws. So you are saying that we could replace all the talent in the western hemisphere with Indian graduates, and, at the same time, too many Indians try to immigrate to these same countries? If you knew anything about immigration law, you would understand that these two are mutually exclusive. Indians in the US or Canada will not be paid the same rates as in India.

rhuru 3y ago
My original comment was the following: > If you[r] job can be done 100% remotely it can also be done in India. In context of that let me examine your points: > If this was true, forty plus years of outsourcing efforts would have turned the US tech landscape into a purely legal and sales market. For many cases it already is. A ton of tech work has *already* moved to India making their US branches primarily sales offices. But as I said, not all work can be outsourced to India. A lot of it must happen in offices in USA. This work is often high value, high collaboration work, as many companies including Google and Meta have figured, 100% remote hurts their competitive edge, reduces innovation and hurts collaborative problem solving. Not all jobs need this and all those jobs can be 100% remote but they will eventually move to India or someplace else where they can be cheaper. > So you are saying that we could replace all the talent in the western hemisphere with Indian graduates, and, at the same time, too many Indians try to immigrate to these same countries? I never made such strong claim, my claim was limited to remote jobs only. Yes, every remote job that pays well can move to some other region where someone will do it better than you for a lower pay. It is not a west v/s India but that is how markets function. Indians do hire a lot of western world people for things they are cheaper for example translation and content generation. People are useful resource and jobs are not a zero sum game. When your remote job goes to India you don't become worthless, you rather find a job that is better suited for your skills and situation making your economy more resilient and efficient. My broader point however is that if you are living in one of those high cost areas like Silicon Valley or NYC or Sydney and if your employer is okay with you being 100% remote, trust me that you wont have that job for long.