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a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors. Can you elaborate?

by JohnBooty 3y ago

hfyufg 3y ago
Don't question or think, just hates muha apple
29athrowaway 3y ago
Connect a 4K monitor or TV to a Mac. The result is tiny widgets.
- pyr0hu 3y ago
  Still dont get it. Using a 4K LG display with a Macbook and everything works as intended. Whats your specific issue? What does "tiny widgets" mean?
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  Completely incorrect. Plenty of actual reasons to dislike Apple, no need to fabricate new ones. I'm typing this on a 4K monitor connected to a Mac and everything is perfect. I don't remember what the default behavior is when MacOS sees a new 4K monitor, but you can go into the display preferences and choose "Larger Text" (essentially, 2X UI scaling) or "More Space" (no scaling, "tiny widgets") or incremental noninteger scaling modes in between. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_displays.png?rlkey=6ov1a63nevd79fferibdedqf6&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_d...
  - 29athrowaway 3y ago
    Does not that just result in a 1920×1080 resolution with low res text? Try using the same screen on Linux, take a close picture of text and compare. 3rd party monitors have the HiDPI mode disabled.
    - noirbot 3y ago
      I'm not sure Linux is the comparison point you want for "handles high resolution consistently with various monitors." I'm sure I could mess around with settings to get any behavior I want, but I've been wrangling multi-monitor high-res setups on Linux for over a decade and it's never been better than OS X's monitor handling. They both have plenty of issues.
    - JohnBooty 3y ago
      I think I see the cause of confusion here. After some googling, it looks like M1 (and I guess M2) Macs don't always expose HiDPI options for 3rd party displays. That sucks. WTF is Apple doing? I'm not sure if there are workarounds or what. I will research this before buying an Apple Silicon based Mac, that's for sure. I have a Intel Mac (latest MacOS) and have never experienced this problem with a variety of 3rd party monitors over the years. So I didn't even realize this was an issue. Additionally, I forgot that subpixel rendering is disabled by default. You can enable it with `defaults write -g CGFontRenderingFontSmoothingDisabled -bool NO` but I forgot that was a required step.
      - FireBeyond 3y ago
        Well, apropos of anything else, I think they very deliberately "broke"/tweaked Display Stream Compression when they released the Pro Display XDR. My cheesegrater Mac Pro with a beefy graphics card under Catalina, I was happily running 2 4K displays in HDR10, at 144Hz. First beta of Big Sur, which came out with the Pro Display? I could drive them in HDR10 at 60Hz. 95Hz in SDR. Was reproducible - by me, by many others. Turn DSC 1.4 down to 1.2 on my monitors, and it got a bit better, HDR10 @ 75Hz, 120Hz SDR, IIRC. That remained broken all through Big Sur, despite a huge number of reports. Remained broken through Monterey too. I believe it's fixed in Ventura, but I've since changed monitors. Initially, people were wondering about the Pro Display's bandwidth and how it was doing 6K HDR and other USB connectivity, and it sure as hell seems like they messed with the DSC spec to make it happen, and 'screw other monitor owners'.
        JohnBooty 3y ago
- JuanPosadas 3y ago
  I have tons of issues hooking 4k monitors to my macbook but that is definitely not one of them.

a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors. Can you elaborate?

hfyufg 3y ago

Don't question or think, just hates muha apple

29athrowaway 3y ago

Connect a 4K monitor or TV to a Mac. The result is tiny widgets.

pyr0hu 3y ago
Still dont get it. Using a 4K LG display with a Macbook and everything works as intended. Whats your specific issue? What does "tiny widgets" mean?
JohnBooty 3y ago
Completely incorrect. Plenty of actual reasons to dislike Apple, no need to fabricate new ones. I'm typing this on a 4K monitor connected to a Mac and everything is perfect. I don't remember what the default behavior is when MacOS sees a new 4K monitor, but you can go into the display preferences and choose "Larger Text" (essentially, 2X UI scaling) or "More Space" (no scaling, "tiny widgets") or incremental noninteger scaling modes in between. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_displays.png?rlkey=6ov1a63nevd79fferibdedqf6&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_d...
- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  Does not that just result in a 1920×1080 resolution with low res text? Try using the same screen on Linux, take a close picture of text and compare. 3rd party monitors have the HiDPI mode disabled.
  - noirbot 3y ago
    I'm not sure Linux is the comparison point you want for "handles high resolution consistently with various monitors." I'm sure I could mess around with settings to get any behavior I want, but I've been wrangling multi-monitor high-res setups on Linux for over a decade and it's never been better than OS X's monitor handling. They both have plenty of issues.
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    I think I see the cause of confusion here. After some googling, it looks like M1 (and I guess M2) Macs don't always expose HiDPI options for 3rd party displays. That sucks. WTF is Apple doing? I'm not sure if there are workarounds or what. I will research this before buying an Apple Silicon based Mac, that's for sure. I have a Intel Mac (latest MacOS) and have never experienced this problem with a variety of 3rd party monitors over the years. So I didn't even realize this was an issue. Additionally, I forgot that subpixel rendering is disabled by default. You can enable it with `defaults write -g CGFontRenderingFontSmoothingDisabled -bool NO` but I forgot that was a required step.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      Well, apropos of anything else, I think they very deliberately "broke"/tweaked Display Stream Compression when they released the Pro Display XDR. My cheesegrater Mac Pro with a beefy graphics card under Catalina, I was happily running 2 4K displays in HDR10, at 144Hz. First beta of Big Sur, which came out with the Pro Display? I could drive them in HDR10 at 60Hz. 95Hz in SDR. Was reproducible - by me, by many others. Turn DSC 1.4 down to 1.2 on my monitors, and it got a bit better, HDR10 @ 75Hz, 120Hz SDR, IIRC. That remained broken all through Big Sur, despite a huge number of reports. Remained broken through Monterey too. I believe it's fixed in Ventura, but I've since changed monitors. Initially, people were wondering about the Pro Display's bandwidth and how it was doing 6K HDR and other USB connectivity, and it sure as hell seems like they messed with the DSC spec to make it happen, and 'screw other monitor owners'.
      - JohnBooty 3y ago
JuanPosadas 3y ago
I have tons of issues hooking 4k monitors to my macbook but that is definitely not one of them.