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The issue kinda is on Linux we’re playing windows games. There is significant work done by valve on that proton compatability layer, so a lot of people on Linu

The issue kinda is on Linux we’re playing windows games. There is significant work done by valve on that proton compatability layer, so a lot of people on Linux want to support that. Without that us Linux users have a lot harder time gaming. There are some other launchers for epic games and gog (heroic game launcher I’ve used). It worked for me for a the couple games I tried (gloomhaven and disco elysium) but I’m using the proton wine I which I think was put out there by valve/steam.

FloatArtifact 3y ago
Isn't 30% the standard besides epic store?
kristofferg 3y ago
This I agree with. If the game developer can produce a Linux binary I am happy to buy on other stores (I prefer GOG). They usually do _not_ and I don’t want to spend time to wrap and configure windows apps to run on Linux. You can consider the 30% steam fee outsourcing the multi-platform “porting”.
- theshrike79 3y ago
  Many gamedevs actually stopped building a specific Linux binary because the Proton compatibility version was so much faster and required almost zero effort from them =)
  - zirgs 3y ago
    If 1% of your users generate 30% of your bug reports it makes sense to outsource the job to valve.
    - xethos 3y ago
      ~6% of users, 38% of bug reports, and: > says that very few of those bugs were specific to Linux, being clear that "This 5.8% of players found 38% of all the bugs that affected everyone." You're welcome. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_having_just_58_sales_over_38_of_bug/ https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_hav...
      - kristofferg 3y ago
        That is super interesting. Thanks for sharing! :) Turns out releasing a Linux version can probably, for small studios, substitute and/or support a QA team.
    - account42 3y ago
      Not if most of those reported bugs alos affect the remaining users but were not reported.
happymellon 3y ago
I would never support Epic as Sweeney is openly hostile towards Linux.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
  He’s openly hostile to gamers. If anyone thinks he does what he does for gamers and companies you would be a fool. He’s only trying to steal market share to line his own pockets. He can’t even compete with a quality product. Epic game store is probably the worst store to exist.
  - samspenc 3y ago
    I'm honestly curious about Epic and where they are heading these days. They no longer need to compete in this market since they had their breakout with Fortnite and most of their revenue comes from there anyway. I understand their work on Unreal Engine (UE) since Fortnite is built on top of UE, but I don't understand the rest of their ecosystem and why Epic game store even exists.
    - throwaway2990 3y ago
      Neither do I. I thought they were doing good work on UE. I don’t understand the popularity of fortnite but people love it and play it and it earns them a ton of money. But the store seems to exist because they don’t want to use steam or anything else cos they won’t want to lose the 30% cut on game sales or in-game micro transactions. Yet they happily pay Sony and MS… And if they created their store and opened it up to others and says oh yeah our fees are less. It would be fine. Gamers have choice. Developers have choice. But buying games already on steam, or paying to get exclusives is bad. Especially when Tim lies so much. They should compete by having a better product, service, experience. But they lie cheat and steal to grow.
      - zirgs 3y ago
        They happily pay SONY and Microsoft, because there's no alternative. Don't like it - build your own console then.
29athrowaway 3y ago
Among the most played games, many of them run natively on Linux. https://www.protondb.com/explore https://www.protondb.com/explore Some games on the list are kind of old, sure. But they're the most played nevertheless. And from the ones that are not native, many of them run well on Proton.
- dizhn 3y ago
  > Among the most played games, many of them run natively on Linux. Those are the games they would try to get working first. I am not saying this as a counterpoint but a different reading of the same thing.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
Is this what they want to support? To each their own, but I feel like relying on Wine to play linux games is like relying on an emulator to play your favorite legacy games. Or even mobile games for existing games. It's a nice option, but I'd always strive for native support where possible, because who knows what happens to emulators overtime (and yes, I know Wine Is Not an Emulator. Similar principles in relying on a middleman tool).
- zirgs 3y ago
  It's easier to run some older games in a console emulator than run their native windows versions these days.
- ric2b 3y ago
  > It's a nice option, but I'd always strive for native support where possible If you figure out how to make that happen, let us know.
nottorp 3y ago
Well, outside gaming we're increasingly running javascript not anything native. Perhaps it's time to think of Windows as another VM... Vernor Vinge extrapolated this to layers upon layers of emulation if humanity evolves (survives?) a couple more hundred thousand years.

FloatArtifact 3y ago

Isn't 30% the standard besides epic store?

kristofferg 3y ago

This I agree with. If the game developer can produce a Linux binary I am happy to buy on other stores (I prefer GOG). They usually do _not_ and I don’t want to spend time to wrap and configure windows apps to run on Linux. You can consider the 30% steam fee outsourcing the multi-platform “porting”.

theshrike79 3y ago
Many gamedevs actually stopped building a specific Linux binary because the Proton compatibility version was so much faster and required almost zero effort from them =)
- zirgs 3y ago
  If 1% of your users generate 30% of your bug reports it makes sense to outsource the job to valve.
  - xethos 3y ago
    ~6% of users, 38% of bug reports, and: > says that very few of those bugs were specific to Linux, being clear that "This 5.8% of players found 38% of all the bugs that affected everyone." You're welcome. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_having_just_58_sales_over_38_of_bug/ https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_hav...
    - kristofferg 3y ago
      That is super interesting. Thanks for sharing! :) Turns out releasing a Linux version can probably, for small studios, substitute and/or support a QA team.
  - account42 3y ago
    Not if most of those reported bugs alos affect the remaining users but were not reported.

happymellon 3y ago

I would never support Epic as Sweeney is openly hostile towards Linux.

throwaway2990 3y ago
He’s openly hostile to gamers. If anyone thinks he does what he does for gamers and companies you would be a fool. He’s only trying to steal market share to line his own pockets. He can’t even compete with a quality product. Epic game store is probably the worst store to exist.
- samspenc 3y ago
  I'm honestly curious about Epic and where they are heading these days. They no longer need to compete in this market since they had their breakout with Fortnite and most of their revenue comes from there anyway. I understand their work on Unreal Engine (UE) since Fortnite is built on top of UE, but I don't understand the rest of their ecosystem and why Epic game store even exists.
  - throwaway2990 3y ago
    Neither do I. I thought they were doing good work on UE. I don’t understand the popularity of fortnite but people love it and play it and it earns them a ton of money. But the store seems to exist because they don’t want to use steam or anything else cos they won’t want to lose the 30% cut on game sales or in-game micro transactions. Yet they happily pay Sony and MS… And if they created their store and opened it up to others and says oh yeah our fees are less. It would be fine. Gamers have choice. Developers have choice. But buying games already on steam, or paying to get exclusives is bad. Especially when Tim lies so much. They should compete by having a better product, service, experience. But they lie cheat and steal to grow.
    - zirgs 3y ago
      They happily pay SONY and Microsoft, because there's no alternative. Don't like it - build your own console then.

29athrowaway 3y ago

Among the most played games, many of them run natively on Linux. https://www.protondb.com/explore https://www.protondb.com/explore Some games on the list are kind of old, sure. But they're the most played nevertheless. And from the ones that are not native, many of them run well on Proton.

dizhn 3y ago
> Among the most played games, many of them run natively on Linux. Those are the games they would try to get working first. I am not saying this as a counterpoint but a different reading of the same thing.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

Is this what they want to support? To each their own, but I feel like relying on Wine to play linux games is like relying on an emulator to play your favorite legacy games. Or even mobile games for existing games. It's a nice option, but I'd always strive for native support where possible, because who knows what happens to emulators overtime (and yes, I know Wine Is Not an Emulator. Similar principles in relying on a middleman tool).

zirgs 3y ago
It's easier to run some older games in a console emulator than run their native windows versions these days.
ric2b 3y ago
> It's a nice option, but I'd always strive for native support where possible If you figure out how to make that happen, let us know.

nottorp 3y ago

Well, outside gaming we're increasingly running javascript not anything native. Perhaps it's time to think of Windows as another VM... Vernor Vinge extrapolated this to layers upon layers of emulation if humanity evolves (survives?) a couple more hundred thousand years.