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Apple products are also: - a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors. - a checkmate to the right of repair. - a checkmate to the environment. - a chec

Apple products are also: - a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors. - a checkmate to the right of repair. - a checkmate to the environment. - a checkmate to most hardware terminology (they will create their own so you cannot compare products) - a checkmate to modularity.

noirbot 3y ago
I really don't see how they're much worse than the average in their industry for almost any of those. Mac Mini, Studio, and Pro all want an external monitor, and that's essentially the same product lines any other company would sell an external monitor on. With the iMac being a smaller part of the line, they're maybe even more in line with the rest of the competition on monitors. I literally own a Framework. I care about this stuff in general, but it's not like they're making equal or worse products. What Apple is getting out of their M# processor lines is insane. Honestly, it's questionable if my modular laptop is better for the environment with how much more power I have to spend charging it vs. most of Apple's options, given that I've generally kept using my laptops for 5-7 years at least. I've thrown away way more e-waste on my fully modular external monitor Windows/Linux desktop than I've thrown away Apple products over the years. Modular essentially means "throw away some of your parts regularly". What else am I supposed to do with a 6 year old CPU and Motherboard? I could run it as a server, but I don't need to consume that power for anything really, so it just sits in a closet for years until I throw it out. Anecdotally, I was between buying a M1 Macbook Air and a Framework 2 years ago. I'm already curious about upgrading my Framework to the new AMD mainboard/CPU set. I can almost promise you if I'd bought the M1 Air, I wouldn't even be considering an upgrade for another 2-3 years. Repair/upgradeability also makes it way easier to impulsively generate e-waste. Because you keep editing in more stuff - I'm really not sure I can blame them on the "making new hardware terminology" line. It really doesn't seem like it's so you can't compare it. There's plenty of benchmarks comparing it. They clearly went to ARM because it got them a ton of compute power on very little power. Yes, it can't compare to an old Intel chip the same way, but there's plenty of folks pursuing this line, and it seems like it's been well worthwhile.
JohnBooty 3y ago
a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors. Can you elaborate?
- hfyufg 3y ago
  Don't question or think, just hates muha apple
- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  Connect a 4K monitor or TV to a Mac. The result is tiny widgets.
  - pyr0hu 3y ago
    Still dont get it. Using a 4K LG display with a Macbook and everything works as intended. Whats your specific issue? What does "tiny widgets" mean?
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    Completely incorrect. Plenty of actual reasons to dislike Apple, no need to fabricate new ones. I'm typing this on a 4K monitor connected to a Mac and everything is perfect. I don't remember what the default behavior is when MacOS sees a new 4K monitor, but you can go into the display preferences and choose "Larger Text" (essentially, 2X UI scaling) or "More Space" (no scaling, "tiny widgets") or incremental noninteger scaling modes in between. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_displays.png?rlkey=6ov1a63nevd79fferibdedqf6&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_d...
    - 29athrowaway 3y ago
      Does not that just result in a 1920×1080 resolution with low res text? Try using the same screen on Linux, take a close picture of text and compare. 3rd party monitors have the HiDPI mode disabled.
      - noirbot 3y ago
balaji1 3y ago
> a checkmate to the environment more than other personal computers/devices? how so?
densh 3y ago
In my experience Apple is the only electronics company to actually repair your product rather than discard a broken one and give you a new one where I live. With some repairs (usually just battery replacement), their products can last and be fully functional for nearly decades, and I often pass on my older devices to my family members. Yes, they are nearly impossible to repair yourself, but that's far from "checkmate to the environment" in my book.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Many of the "repairs" are discarding the motherboard and putting a new one.
  - noirbot 3y ago
    Are they fully discarding it? Or just replacing it? I actually don't know the answer here, but I'd be surprised if they didn't have some refurb process for removing still-working parts of the mainboard and attached components. From a turnaround and customer experience perspective, it makes sense to just swap the part and do the diagnostic later so that you avoid having to guess-and-check through the multitude of parts that could be broken.
- qlkjwenf 3y ago
  What a nonsense. I had a few thinkpads in the past and if I had any troubles, their employee will come directly to my house the next working day and replace the broken part in my laptop. It is way better than the support Apple provides and also way better for environment, because unlike Apple, who makes the whole board as a single piece where you cannot replace anything, other laptop manufacturers make it possible to replace every part of your laptop independently (motherboard, ssd, memory, wifi, etc.).
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    My MBP is 5 years old at this point and I never needed to repair or replace anything.
  - 3y ago
ffhhttt 3y ago
> - a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors Why? Their display is extremely niche and iMacs aren’t really a big deal these days either
- wiseowise 3y ago
  I think it’s a jab at poor compatibility with 3rd party monitors.

noirbot 3y ago

I really don't see how they're much worse than the average in their industry for almost any of those. Mac Mini, Studio, and Pro all want an external monitor, and that's essentially the same product lines any other company would sell an external monitor on. With the iMac being a smaller part of the line, they're maybe even more in line with the rest of the competition on monitors. I literally own a Framework. I care about this stuff in general, but it's not like they're making equal or worse products. What Apple is getting out of their M# processor lines is insane. Honestly, it's questionable if my modular laptop is better for the environment with how much more power I have to spend charging it vs. most of Apple's options, given that I've generally kept using my laptops for 5-7 years at least. I've thrown away way more e-waste on my fully modular external monitor Windows/Linux desktop than I've thrown away Apple products over the years. Modular essentially means "throw away some of your parts regularly". What else am I supposed to do with a 6 year old CPU and Motherboard? I could run it as a server, but I don't need to consume that power for anything really, so it just sits in a closet for years until I throw it out. Anecdotally, I was between buying a M1 Macbook Air and a Framework 2 years ago. I'm already curious about upgrading my Framework to the new AMD mainboard/CPU set. I can almost promise you if I'd bought the M1 Air, I wouldn't even be considering an upgrade for another 2-3 years. Repair/upgradeability also makes it way easier to impulsively generate e-waste. Because you keep editing in more stuff - I'm really not sure I can blame them on the "making new hardware terminology" line. It really doesn't seem like it's so you can't compare it. There's plenty of benchmarks comparing it. They clearly went to ARM because it got them a ton of compute power on very little power. Yes, it can't compare to an old Intel chip the same way, but there's plenty of folks pursuing this line, and it seems like it's been well worthwhile.

JohnBooty 3y ago

a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors. Can you elaborate?

hfyufg 3y ago
Don't question or think, just hates muha apple
29athrowaway 3y ago
Connect a 4K monitor or TV to a Mac. The result is tiny widgets.
- pyr0hu 3y ago
  Still dont get it. Using a 4K LG display with a Macbook and everything works as intended. Whats your specific issue? What does "tiny widgets" mean?
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  Completely incorrect. Plenty of actual reasons to dislike Apple, no need to fabricate new ones. I'm typing this on a 4K monitor connected to a Mac and everything is perfect. I don't remember what the default behavior is when MacOS sees a new 4K monitor, but you can go into the display preferences and choose "Larger Text" (essentially, 2X UI scaling) or "More Space" (no scaling, "tiny widgets") or incremental noninteger scaling modes in between. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_displays.png?rlkey=6ov1a63nevd79fferibdedqf6&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dmin2flhod4rkqxfm494k/macos_d...
  - 29athrowaway 3y ago
    Does not that just result in a 1920×1080 resolution with low res text? Try using the same screen on Linux, take a close picture of text and compare. 3rd party monitors have the HiDPI mode disabled.
    - noirbot 3y ago

balaji1 3y ago

> a checkmate to the environment more than other personal computers/devices? how so?

densh 3y ago

In my experience Apple is the only electronics company to actually repair your product rather than discard a broken one and give you a new one where I live. With some repairs (usually just battery replacement), their products can last and be fully functional for nearly decades, and I often pass on my older devices to my family members. Yes, they are nearly impossible to repair yourself, but that's far from "checkmate to the environment" in my book.

pjmlp 3y ago
Many of the "repairs" are discarding the motherboard and putting a new one.
- noirbot 3y ago
  Are they fully discarding it? Or just replacing it? I actually don't know the answer here, but I'd be surprised if they didn't have some refurb process for removing still-working parts of the mainboard and attached components. From a turnaround and customer experience perspective, it makes sense to just swap the part and do the diagnostic later so that you avoid having to guess-and-check through the multitude of parts that could be broken.
qlkjwenf 3y ago
What a nonsense. I had a few thinkpads in the past and if I had any troubles, their employee will come directly to my house the next working day and replace the broken part in my laptop. It is way better than the support Apple provides and also way better for environment, because unlike Apple, who makes the whole board as a single piece where you cannot replace anything, other laptop manufacturers make it possible to replace every part of your laptop independently (motherboard, ssd, memory, wifi, etc.).
- wiseowise 3y ago
  My MBP is 5 years old at this point and I never needed to repair or replace anything.
- 3y ago

ffhhttt 3y ago

> - a checkmate to most 3rd party external monitors Why? Their display is extremely niche and iMacs aren’t really a big deal these days either

wiseowise 3y ago
I think it’s a jab at poor compatibility with 3rd party monitors.