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Not sure why this is getting such a negative response… it succinctly identifies a challenge in communicating these developments to curious laypersons. Entrepren

Not sure why this is getting such a negative response… it succinctly identifies a challenge in communicating these developments to curious laypersons. Entrepreneurial types like the denizens of Hacker News love the opportunity of a problem they’re positioned to solve, no?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Not sure why this is getting such a negative response We're hackers. Newness is enticing. Complaining that you're "getting tired" of something because it's novel while asking for a TikTok summary is lazy. As another commenter mentioned, start with Wikipedia [1]. From there one sees apatites (think: hydroxyapetite or flurapetite on your teeth) [2]. Searching Google Scholar yields this paper about lead apatite [3][4]. We also see the Wikipedia article talk about diamagnetism; here is a summary video [5]. And here is a promising paper [6] from the Wikipedia entry on quantum wells [7]. I'm currently stuck here: I don't get quantum wells, and don't see--intuitively--how an apatite (or a misformed one) could produce them. In summary, asking for help is always welcome. Complaining about your ignorance and lack of motivation, seldom so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatite [3] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1107/S0567740880008096?sentby=iucr https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1107/S0567740880... [4] https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1107/S0567740880008096 https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1107/S0567740880008096 [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0amdIcZt5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0amdIcZt5I [6] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8629077 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8629077 [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_well
- odyssey7 3y ago
  I appreciate you trying to help in some way but I didn’t ask anything related to these resources… Edit: I didn’t read your comment charitably as I should have. The resources are helpful in the broader context and you illustrate that moderate effort can give a layperson some literacy about this. Still, the root comment contains a perspective worth knowing about. It’s a shame that the commenter is getting dragged for expressing it.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  yeah, while having an allergy to the word TikTok misses the point that the appeal is affective communication, something that academics objectively lack. Its about the incentive to communicate succinctly in an engaging way, entire fields and other platforms did not create that incentive and one successfully did. hence, why it is mentioned. besides that, I appreciate the resources!
xorbax 3y ago
I think the problem is that they're on an internet link aggregator complaining they don't understand a topic. There are means to correct that on the same interface. If he's satisfied that a tikTok video has sated his curiosity, that's fine. But a well-referenced Wikipedia or any number of books or university websites or sciHub skubs will also get you there. Unless you don't care that much. In which case, why post? Not every post about a topic should have a handholding first comment. It's fine you don't comprehend the totally of every post, and it serves no one to state the obvious on every post you don't get. I was exhausted when every fucking post was Haskell and the clear superiority of functional programming, so I just ignored it it read silently. Even if a conversation seems important, you can simply be silent and absorb information knowing you may want to catch up. The internet functionally contains infinite information about the topic at all levels of explanation.
bawolff 3y ago
> Entrepreneurial types like the denizens of Hacker News love the opportunity of a problem they’re positioned to solve, no? HN denziens also tend to do tech support, and nothing is more triggering than "i tried nothing and am out of ideas"
mellosouls 3y ago
I'm guessing the negative response was maybe because of the very negative tone. Somebody submitted what they thought was an interesting link and the comment was dismissive to the point of hostility. It probably didn't help that the suggestion for a better source of information was TikTok which - while actually having genuinely decent short explainers for all sorts of things - carries with it the stigma of drivel.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Not sure why this is getting such a negative response We're hackers. Newness is enticing. Complaining that you're "getting tired" of something because it's novel while asking for a TikTok summary is lazy. As another commenter mentioned, start with Wikipedia [1]. From there one sees apatites (think: hydroxyapetite or flurapetite on your teeth) [2]. Searching Google Scholar yields this paper about lead apatite [3][4]. We also see the Wikipedia article talk about diamagnetism; here is a summary video [5]. And here is a promising paper [6] from the Wikipedia entry on quantum wells [7]. I'm currently stuck here: I don't get quantum wells, and don't see--intuitively--how an apatite (or a misformed one) could produce them. In summary, asking for help is always welcome. Complaining about your ignorance and lack of motivation, seldom so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatite [3] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1107/S0567740880008096?sentby=iucr https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1107/S0567740880... [4] https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1107/S0567740880008096 https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1107/S0567740880008096 [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0amdIcZt5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0amdIcZt5I [6] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8629077 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8629077 [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_well

odyssey7 3y ago
I appreciate you trying to help in some way but I didn’t ask anything related to these resources… Edit: I didn’t read your comment charitably as I should have. The resources are helpful in the broader context and you illustrate that moderate effort can give a layperson some literacy about this. Still, the root comment contains a perspective worth knowing about. It’s a shame that the commenter is getting dragged for expressing it.
yieldcrv 3y ago
yeah, while having an allergy to the word TikTok misses the point that the appeal is affective communication, something that academics objectively lack. Its about the incentive to communicate succinctly in an engaging way, entire fields and other platforms did not create that incentive and one successfully did. hence, why it is mentioned. besides that, I appreciate the resources!

xorbax 3y ago

I think the problem is that they're on an internet link aggregator complaining they don't understand a topic. There are means to correct that on the same interface. If he's satisfied that a tikTok video has sated his curiosity, that's fine. But a well-referenced Wikipedia or any number of books or university websites or sciHub skubs will also get you there. Unless you don't care that much. In which case, why post? Not every post about a topic should have a handholding first comment. It's fine you don't comprehend the totally of every post, and it serves no one to state the obvious on every post you don't get. I was exhausted when every fucking post was Haskell and the clear superiority of functional programming, so I just ignored it it read silently. Even if a conversation seems important, you can simply be silent and absorb information knowing you may want to catch up. The internet functionally contains infinite information about the topic at all levels of explanation.

bawolff 3y ago

> Entrepreneurial types like the denizens of Hacker News love the opportunity of a problem they’re positioned to solve, no? HN denziens also tend to do tech support, and nothing is more triggering than "i tried nothing and am out of ideas"

mellosouls 3y ago

I'm guessing the negative response was maybe because of the very negative tone. Somebody submitted what they thought was an interesting link and the comment was dismissive to the point of hostility. It probably didn't help that the suggestion for a better source of information was TikTok which - while actually having genuinely decent short explainers for all sorts of things - carries with it the stigma of drivel.