> Lots of hand waving about improvements I imagine it doesn't seem ironic to you because people you trust gave a compelling narrative, but for the rest of us a

> Lots of hand waving about improvements I imagine it doesn't seem ironic to you because people you trust gave a compelling narrative, but for the rest of us all you've given us is (second-hand) handwaving. All we mutually have to go off of is data, and anyone can go check what stocks are being taken off the overfished list [1] in a some of the areas you named. I'm not claiming all fish stocks are doing great. Some remain overfished, some are in bad shape or shifting out of their historical ranges due to climate, etc. But unconditional doomerism applies here at least as poorly as it does on average. [1] https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/sustainable-fisheries/status-stocks-2022 https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/sustainable-fisheries/status-...