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My friends who are fishery people (biologists) are all pretty sure we've doomed commercial fisheries in the ocean. It's too late to recover and no one really wa
by a2tech 3y ago
My friends who are fishery people (biologists) are all pretty sure we've doomed commercial fisheries in the ocean. It's too late to recover and no one really wants to fix the issues.
Enjoy your seafood while you can because they think they'll be gone before our generation dies out.
- pirate787 3y agoThey are already growing fish meat in labs, hopefully that and farming will take some of the pressure off the wild fisheries.
- losteric 3y agoLab grown beef has sure had a major impact on clear-cut ranching
- ChrisClark 3y agoYeah, it turns out, things never get cheaper or created in greater quantities over time. No history of that ever happening.
- myshpa 3y agoSure ... but we still don't know how to grow that in big quantities. And scaling the production could take few decades. Plants do we have now, and properly cooked they're delicious ;)
- NovaDudely 3y agoThe single biggest issue with lab meat is the lack of an immune system. Once we crack that then there is a real chance of this stuff working out. That said until then, I will just avoid all meats. If I have those cravings, the alternatives we have now are reasonable enough to scratch that itch even if not the same.
- kuhewa 3y agoPerhaps your friends work in a region like the GOM where anoxic zones are a substantial and growing issue or regions where management remains poor so the sentiment would be accurate for their domain, but it isn't even close to holding true globally for all fish stocks, neither effects of low oxygen nor overharvesting etc. There were big improvements in stock assessment and fisheries management around 15-20 years ago and many formerly overfished stocks are on a positive trend since [1] [1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1909726116 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1909726116
- a_bonobo 3y agoWhile Ray Hilborn is one of the biggest (most publishing) voices in academic fisheries research, others absolutely hate him: Greenpeace calls him a 'overfishing denier' https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/research/overfishing-denier/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/research/overfishing-denier/ >As part of their investigation into our appeal, the journal also posted a correction noting that several authors of a paper defending the Marine Stewardship Council were actually employed by the MSC – and Ray Hilborn had received funding from certifiers employed by the MSC. Small victories, perhaps, but in an era where we need strong scientific advice more than ever, we cannot afford to have research clouded by undisclosed conflicts of interest.
- kuhewa 3y agoRay never denied receiving industry funding, and is pretty transparent about it. It's pretty common in fisheries science. Greenpeace's big gotcha was rather feeble in my opinion. As you said he is prolific in the field. Yet the best Greenpeace could do was get a correction published on a minor paper to say he received industry funding in the five years prior — but that didn't support that particular research [1]. He also received funding from WWF in that period, so is he also a environmentalist shill along with a fishing industry shill? Note that Greenpeace can't manage to critique, nor find someone to critique, the actual science. [1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0210843#pone.0210843.s001 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
- bmitc 3y agoI feel this is going to be a pattern more and more common. It already has been increasing for decades. We have royally messed up this planet and its ecosystems.
- anonuser123456 3y agoBy then we will be 3D printing fatty toro sashimi w/out the mercury.
- MichaelNolan 3y agoMight not be a long wait. At least one company (wildtypefoods) is making lab made salmon and they specifically are targeting the sushi market.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoBy then we will be inside cans of soylent green.
- evilduck 3y agoFarm raised or wild caught soylent green?
- 000ooo000 3y agoMass fish death: "won't someone think of the fisheries!" Mass fishery death: "won't someone think of the seafood!" We deserve this
- NovaDudely 3y agoPretty much. While I am but one of 8 billion people, all animal products have been off the table for a long time now. Part adaption to the future, part protection of what we have today, part ethics.
- 000ooo000 3y agoYep. 5 years for me. Not sure what will get me first: the protein deficiency, or some kind of stroke from reading rake kickflip justifications for maintaining the animal ag status quo.
- NovaDudely 3y agoDefinitely the latter. Mine will come from arguing from a friend that went on full carnivore diet thanks to that paragon of dietary advice Jordan Peterson... the conversations are VERY disagreeable.
- john_the_writer 3y agoMy boss did that 5 years ago. He almost died before adopting it.
- NovaDudely 3y agoIt is in the book 'Dark Age America' by John Michael Greer, he does make mention of this that any one reading that book and is still fairly young, there will be a day when they have their last bit of seafood. That is one of those books, you hate that his vision of the future looks so plausible. It is a shame that in recent years he went full an anti-vax with Covid even though he explained why that kind of thinking had issue in that very book. He has also started engaging in bizarre conspiracy theories about a lot of things.