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Looking at it a different way, IPv4 addresses are scarce so it makes more economic sense to have fewer, central owners that can maximize usage, rather than mill

by efitz 3y ago

Looking at it a different way, IPv4 addresses are scarce so it makes more economic sense to have fewer, central owners that can maximize usage, rather than millions of individuals owners, many or most of which would not necessarily be using them at any given time. Putting a price on IP address usage again is a mechanism to prevent squatting/hoarding a scarce resource. But if you don’t want to “rent” IP addresses from anyone, you can still find blocks for sale. Last time I checked (last year) class C blocks were going for $15k-$20k.

efitz 3y ago
BTW AWS specifically allows you to bring your own IP addresses. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-byoip.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-byoi...
mike_d 3y ago
> makes more economic sense to have fewer, central owners that can maximize usage What you have described is effectively a China-style ICP license[1]. Unless you are willing to give a big name cloud provider $x per month, you shouldn't be able to put a service on the internet? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license
- ripdog 3y ago
  Only on legacy IP. We're trying to kill it. A bit of pain will be necessary to finally get modern IP across the line of mainstream usage.
  - mike_d 3y ago
    "We" are not doing anything of the sort. 11 years into IPv6 and you still can't single home a network behind v6. Much like DNSSEC the purists refuse to admit that it has basically been a failure outside of very specific use cases.
sgjohnson 3y ago
I have a /24 of v4 just so I don’t have to run NAT at home. My Apple Watch has a real, globally unique IP address. Is this valuable use of IPv4 space? I think yes.
backendanon 3y ago
"Putting a price on IP address usage again is a mechanism to prevent squatting/hoarding a scarce resource." That isn't one company's call, it's past time for the DOJ to step in.

by efitz 3y ago

efitz 3y ago

BTW AWS specifically allows you to bring your own IP addresses. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-byoip.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-byoi...

mike_d 3y ago

> makes more economic sense to have fewer, central owners that can maximize usage What you have described is effectively a China-style ICP license[1]. Unless you are willing to give a big name cloud provider $x per month, you shouldn't be able to put a service on the internet? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license

ripdog 3y ago
Only on legacy IP. We're trying to kill it. A bit of pain will be necessary to finally get modern IP across the line of mainstream usage.
- mike_d 3y ago
  "We" are not doing anything of the sort. 11 years into IPv6 and you still can't single home a network behind v6. Much like DNSSEC the purists refuse to admit that it has basically been a failure outside of very specific use cases.

sgjohnson 3y ago

I have a /24 of v4 just so I don’t have to run NAT at home. My Apple Watch has a real, globally unique IP address. Is this valuable use of IPv4 space? I think yes.

backendanon 3y ago

"Putting a price on IP address usage again is a mechanism to prevent squatting/hoarding a scarce resource." That isn't one company's call, it's past time for the DOJ to step in.