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One thing that is not considered here is that media is far more globalized than before. If you want a big budget movie to do well across markets like China, Ind

One thing that is not considered here is that media is far more globalized than before. If you want a big budget movie to do well across markets like China, India, and the middle East, you tone down the raunchy content or run the risk of movie getting banned out of large markets. TV is more fragmented so maybe it gets away with local tastes.

sacnoradhq 3y ago
This is it. The source is the spinelessness of studios rather than some greater societal shift. However, that's not to say a societal shift cannot follow from reality mirroring fiction because mass media manufactures much of the attitudes of society. I value old, foreign, dirty films that transgress taboos because they go boldly without the consent and approval of the morality police god squad or the ministry of harmony and culture. “[Good] Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable.” ― Banksy
- local_issues 3y ago
  The Disney USA logo vs Disney China logo meme is always relevant If you are ok with being a hypocrite, you can push a strong narrative in the US while challenging literally nothing in China/Saudi Arabia.
  - lupire 3y ago
    What meme?
newaccount74 3y ago
That doesn't explain why every single actor has a perfect body. Every man is bulked up, every woman is super slim. 50 years ago it was completely normal that sexy woman on screen had a bit of belly fat, now this is completely unthinkable.
- strken 3y ago
  Does it need a more complicated explanation than increased budgets? 50 years ago CGI was virtually nonexistent and now it's close to photorealistic; does this tell us deep things about how spaceships are secretly aircraft carriers and space explosions are a metaphor for Desert Storm, or is it an artefact of trying harder and paying more?
- lupire 3y ago
  Not perfect; extreme caricatures of humanity.
silvestrov 3y ago
Also to consider is that it might be easier for Netflix to get away with a semi raunchy movie than it is for cinemas. So we will likely see raunchy non-English movies made in Europe and which will have world wide audience. A current example is the Swedish 'Young Royals' which has been dubbed and subtitled in surprising many languages. So cinemas end up with boring violence and Netflix ends up with everything else.
brabel 3y ago
That's not a good explanation because every country can have different cuts of the movie, some containing raunchy content and some not. They already have to do subtitles/dubbing anyway.
- badwolf 3y ago
  also consider, the more edits a movie needs, the more expensive it is going to be to produce and distribute
- distant_hat 3y ago
  Depends on the movie, and it is not always smooth. Also, it leads to higher piracy in countries where cuts are made because people do want the raunchier scenes. Like Oppenheimer had a bunch of cuts in India but it is still doing well, but it is by no means guaranteed.

sacnoradhq 3y ago

This is it. The source is the spinelessness of studios rather than some greater societal shift. However, that's not to say a societal shift cannot follow from reality mirroring fiction because mass media manufactures much of the attitudes of society. I value old, foreign, dirty films that transgress taboos because they go boldly without the consent and approval of the morality police god squad or the ministry of harmony and culture. “[Good] Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable.” ― Banksy

local_issues 3y ago
The Disney USA logo vs Disney China logo meme is always relevant If you are ok with being a hypocrite, you can push a strong narrative in the US while challenging literally nothing in China/Saudi Arabia.
- lupire 3y ago
  What meme?

newaccount74 3y ago

That doesn't explain why every single actor has a perfect body. Every man is bulked up, every woman is super slim. 50 years ago it was completely normal that sexy woman on screen had a bit of belly fat, now this is completely unthinkable.

strken 3y ago
Does it need a more complicated explanation than increased budgets? 50 years ago CGI was virtually nonexistent and now it's close to photorealistic; does this tell us deep things about how spaceships are secretly aircraft carriers and space explosions are a metaphor for Desert Storm, or is it an artefact of trying harder and paying more?
lupire 3y ago
Not perfect; extreme caricatures of humanity.

silvestrov 3y ago

Also to consider is that it might be easier for Netflix to get away with a semi raunchy movie than it is for cinemas. So we will likely see raunchy non-English movies made in Europe and which will have world wide audience. A current example is the Swedish 'Young Royals' which has been dubbed and subtitled in surprising many languages. So cinemas end up with boring violence and Netflix ends up with everything else.

brabel 3y ago

That's not a good explanation because every country can have different cuts of the movie, some containing raunchy content and some not. They already have to do subtitles/dubbing anyway.

badwolf 3y ago
also consider, the more edits a movie needs, the more expensive it is going to be to produce and distribute
distant_hat 3y ago
Depends on the movie, and it is not always smooth. Also, it leads to higher piracy in countries where cuts are made because people do want the raunchier scenes. Like Oppenheimer had a bunch of cuts in India but it is still doing well, but it is by no means guaranteed.