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Intentionally misleading people.. is exactly the definition of lying?

• dragontamer 3y ago
  To be fair, "lying" isn't a legal term. "Fraud" is a legal term, and "intentionally misleading people" is the very definition of Fraud. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fraud https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fraud In fact, it seems like Fraud is still Fraud at the reckless or negligent levels. No intent needed (though I'm sure proving it at the "intent" level will get them more of a case). So... is this Fraud? Well, yes. It would be. But the next step is for these plaintiffs to prove the fraud in court. It seems like they have a strong argument though.
  • brandonagr2 3y ago
    There is no fraud or misleading people. The EPA test cycle is an official test, you can run the test and get the same results yourself. It's not fraud that some dumb consumers don't understand what an EPA range estimate means
    • user_named 3y ago
      It's fraud. There's already internal leaks documenting Teslas fraud perpetrated on the insistence of Elon.
    • isityouyesitsme 3y ago
      I didn't know that VW owned Tesla!