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Game theory at play. Tesla and its customers are adversaries, vying for the same dollars. Tesla implementing these security measures directly translates to bein

by ngneer 3y ago

Game theory at play. Tesla and its customers are adversaries, vying for the same dollars. Tesla implementing these security measures directly translates to being able to charge more for services. Same as John Deere and many others. This is a minmax problem. How to pay the least to cause the other actor to pay the most. If the feature costs $15K and breaking security costs $15K then it is effective security. Obviously not the case here.

logifail 3y ago
> Game theory at play. Tesla and its customers are adversaries, vying for the same dollars Umm, I think this is more like "airlines vs passengers" when passengers read about "hidden city ticketing" in a travel blog, think it sounds cool yet haven't properly understand it, yet decide to go to town on it anyway.[0] Since most providers are entirely at liberty to tell a customer they're no longer welcome, as a customer you have to be really really sure you want to own up to the provider as being an adversary, since you might end up needing another provider. For ever. (Full disclosure: have been looking for, booking, and flying on less-than-entirely-legitimate airfares for a looong time. Have occasionally broken out in a cold sweat at an airport in some far-flung country on a dodgy itinerary when I think I've been rumbled...) [0] https://www.insider.com/skiplagging-american-airlines-banned-teenager-hidden-city-ticket-canceled-2023-7 https://www.insider.com/skiplagging-american-airlines-banned...
- dktoao 3y ago
  Fascinating article, didn't know skip lagging was a thing or that it is illegal. It definitely shouldn't be, just seems to be government protecting entrenched corporate interests at the cost of the populace. aka par for the course.
  - whelp_24 3y ago
    Skip lagging isn't illegal, iirc a recent court case reaffirmed that. Airlines don't like it though so they may cancel you.
    - logifail 3y ago
      So if you buy a Tesla and the T&Cs prohibit you from hacking it/modding it, then you decide to hack away at it anyway, what happens if Tesla were to brick the online features of your vehicle and/or completely cancel you as a customer?
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        In america the current legal standard is that you go and get fucked. You do not have a right to something you have purchased anymore as long as the seller puts enough magic fine print together.
      - whelp_24 3y ago
        I mean the whole point is that Telsa should not be able to brick the car you purchased because you changed something in your car. Why does a car come with conditions? Granted I may not be in the demographic for a telsa, i wouldn't ever want my car connected to the internet.
  - logifail 3y ago
    > Fascinating article, didn't know skip lagging was a thing or that it is illegal It's not illegal, but it is against the airline's T&Cs ... which you have to agree to when you purchase a ticket.

by ngneer 3y ago

logifail 3y ago

> Game theory at play. Tesla and its customers are adversaries, vying for the same dollars Umm, I think this is more like "airlines vs passengers" when passengers read about "hidden city ticketing" in a travel blog, think it sounds cool yet haven't properly understand it, yet decide to go to town on it anyway.[0] Since most providers are entirely at liberty to tell a customer they're no longer welcome, as a customer you have to be really really sure you want to own up to the provider as being an adversary, since you might end up needing another provider. For ever. (Full disclosure: have been looking for, booking, and flying on less-than-entirely-legitimate airfares for a looong time. Have occasionally broken out in a cold sweat at an airport in some far-flung country on a dodgy itinerary when I think I've been rumbled...) [0] https://www.insider.com/skiplagging-american-airlines-banned-teenager-hidden-city-ticket-canceled-2023-7 https://www.insider.com/skiplagging-american-airlines-banned...

dktoao 3y ago
Fascinating article, didn't know skip lagging was a thing or that it is illegal. It definitely shouldn't be, just seems to be government protecting entrenched corporate interests at the cost of the populace. aka par for the course.
- whelp_24 3y ago
  Skip lagging isn't illegal, iirc a recent court case reaffirmed that. Airlines don't like it though so they may cancel you.
  - logifail 3y ago
    So if you buy a Tesla and the T&Cs prohibit you from hacking it/modding it, then you decide to hack away at it anyway, what happens if Tesla were to brick the online features of your vehicle and/or completely cancel you as a customer?
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      In america the current legal standard is that you go and get fucked. You do not have a right to something you have purchased anymore as long as the seller puts enough magic fine print together.
    - whelp_24 3y ago
      I mean the whole point is that Telsa should not be able to brick the car you purchased because you changed something in your car. Why does a car come with conditions? Granted I may not be in the demographic for a telsa, i wouldn't ever want my car connected to the internet.
- logifail 3y ago
  > Fascinating article, didn't know skip lagging was a thing or that it is illegal It's not illegal, but it is against the airline's T&Cs ... which you have to agree to when you purchase a ticket.