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In this context... well, bing hiding the tiananmen square protests (mentioned in the article) or google returning a list of exclusively black people when you se

by veave 3y ago

In this context... well, bing hiding the tiananmen square protests (mentioned in the article) or google returning a list of exclusively black people when you searched for "american inventors" are two incidents that come to mind.

creata 3y ago
> google returning a list of exclusively black people when you searched for "american inventors" There's no way that's intentional. For starters, DuckDuckGo, Google and Brave image search all do the same thing here. Maybe it's some weirdness involving "american inventors" appearing in the phrase "african american inventors" or something.
- pixxel 3y ago
  Couple of google tests: “Black man” “Black family” Results as expected. “White man” “White family” A mixture of black and white. “happy black woman” Results as expected. “happy white woman” Lots of white women with black men. Edit: DDG’s results seems to fair better.
  - spookie 3y ago
    Can't reproduce these results.
    - veave 3y ago
      You don't see this? https://i.imgur.com/e5GaIgn.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/e5GaIgn.jpeg
      - spookie 3y ago
        No, I don't know what to say. I don't use Google tbh, but as someone else commented on here, that's not a viable reason either. I really don't know.
    - pixxel 3y ago
      I don’t use google and actively block on my home network. I’ve just tested with a clean VM using VPN in Sweden, Uk and USA. All results are reproducible for me and are not tainted with my browsing history.
  - developer93 3y ago
    The last one might be because white woman might not be usually specified if she's not contrasted in some way to other races, since white is default in the anglosphere. So in those cases she's more likely just to be called "woman". It's "not ideal" but there you are.
- spookie 3y ago
  Agreed, I do believe it's an artifact of a anglophone dominated web (if you're talking about someone from your country with your native language, you're less likely to specify their nationality). I didn't mean to be toxic with the dominated part or anything, I just think it summarises the phenomena pretty well.
smallerfish 3y ago
Bing hiding "tank man" is not "woke" by any common definition of the term. Got a reference on the Google incident? Sounds like misinformation.
- veave 3y ago
  There are a few references online if you search for '"american inventors" "google"' or something. For obvious reasons it was never covered in any tech blog. https://twitter.com/Micki_Harbour/status/894871335104630784 https://twitter.com/Micki_Harbour/status/894871335104630784 https://old.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/88a5hv/is_something_wrong_here/ https://old.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/88a5hv/is_somethi...
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    This is irrelevant. How many references to e.g. Edison will you find online, remarking that he was "white"? In a context of ethnic debate in the US, mentioning "white" anything, will most likely revolve around "black" anything.

by veave 3y ago

creata 3y ago

> google returning a list of exclusively black people when you searched for "american inventors" There's no way that's intentional. For starters, DuckDuckGo, Google and Brave image search all do the same thing here. Maybe it's some weirdness involving "american inventors" appearing in the phrase "african american inventors" or something.

pixxel 3y ago
Couple of google tests: “Black man” “Black family” Results as expected. “White man” “White family” A mixture of black and white. “happy black woman” Results as expected. “happy white woman” Lots of white women with black men. Edit: DDG’s results seems to fair better.
- spookie 3y ago
  Can't reproduce these results.
  - veave 3y ago
    You don't see this? https://i.imgur.com/e5GaIgn.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/e5GaIgn.jpeg
    - spookie 3y ago
      No, I don't know what to say. I don't use Google tbh, but as someone else commented on here, that's not a viable reason either. I really don't know.
  - pixxel 3y ago
    I don’t use google and actively block on my home network. I’ve just tested with a clean VM using VPN in Sweden, Uk and USA. All results are reproducible for me and are not tainted with my browsing history.
- developer93 3y ago
  The last one might be because white woman might not be usually specified if she's not contrasted in some way to other races, since white is default in the anglosphere. So in those cases she's more likely just to be called "woman". It's "not ideal" but there you are.
spookie 3y ago
Agreed, I do believe it's an artifact of a anglophone dominated web (if you're talking about someone from your country with your native language, you're less likely to specify their nationality). I didn't mean to be toxic with the dominated part or anything, I just think it summarises the phenomena pretty well.

smallerfish 3y ago

Bing hiding "tank man" is not "woke" by any common definition of the term. Got a reference on the Google incident? Sounds like misinformation.

veave 3y ago
There are a few references online if you search for '"american inventors" "google"' or something. For obvious reasons it was never covered in any tech blog. https://twitter.com/Micki_Harbour/status/894871335104630784 https://twitter.com/Micki_Harbour/status/894871335104630784 https://old.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/88a5hv/is_something_wrong_here/ https://old.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/88a5hv/is_somethi...
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  This is irrelevant. How many references to e.g. Edison will you find online, remarking that he was "white"? In a context of ethnic debate in the US, mentioning "white" anything, will most likely revolve around "black" anything.