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Yonz here, I run the community and can be blamed for the 20+ swipes at the discord choice. We started in February 2023, and it has been amazing to see the now ~

by yonz 3y ago

Yonz here, I run the community and can be blamed for the 20+ swipes at the discord choice. We started in February 2023, and it has been amazing to see the now ~1k developers coming together and building awesome collaborations like Tinybase + Cr-sqlite. Yes, we need a community platform aligned with our mission, but it is already hard enough to get people together. Before the website or the discord, it was just a bunch of people following each other on Twitter and a few disparate talks. Starting from there and asking new joiners to set up a new platform adds prohibitive friction. 'There is a platform for that is not enough'; we need most interested folks to also be on it. A matrix bridge makes perfect sense, but I haven't had the time to set it up.

pessimizer 3y ago
The effectiveness of using Discord for your community is a fact that undermines the community's only purpose. You use Discord as a stepping stone because it works, but if you don't prioritize moving off of it to an effective replacement above any and all more costly efforts and issues, it's hard to believe in the authenticity of purpose. I'm not implying here that you are not prioritizing moving on (how would I know), or planning to use that movement as an case study to sell local/P2P-first to others, but if you all are not that's going to be a permanent blot.
- mxmilkiib 3y ago
  Aside, a related concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefigurative_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefigurative_politics "modes of organization and social relationships that strive to reflect the future society being sought by the group. According to Carl Boggs, who coined the term, the desire is to embody "within the ongoing political practice of a movement [...] those forms of social relations, decision-making, culture, and human experience that are the ultimate goal". Besides this definition, Leach also gave light to the definition of the concept stating that the term "refers to a political orientation based on the premise that the ends a social movement achieves are fundamentally shaped by the means it employs, and that movement should therefore do their best to choose means that embody or prefigure the kind of society they want to bring about". Prefigurativism is the attempt to [act] [prefigurativly]." P.S. FWIW, as far as it stands, Zulip is the least annoying Discord alternative (and eventually Matrix might become better/non-slow).
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stevenicr 3y ago
I'd like to suggest that running wordpress with buddypress may fit the bill... and if you need chat (instead of the chat-similar groups messaging which is baked in) - you can also add wisechat to the mix. This system is loads easier than matrix imho - although I love love love matrix and want it to continue to succeed and be used. Blocking spam user signups and setting security plugins and auto-updates is not baked in.. but it's not hard and it's all open source - can run on a droplet or vps easily.
oso2k 3y ago
RocketChat does good with minimal resources. Red Hat used that internally for about 5 years in Consulting. Red Hat definitely fits the xkcd 1782 IRC meme, though.

by yonz 3y ago

pessimizer 3y ago

The effectiveness of using Discord for your community is a fact that undermines the community's only purpose. You use Discord as a stepping stone because it works, but if you don't prioritize moving off of it to an effective replacement above any and all more costly efforts and issues, it's hard to believe in the authenticity of purpose. I'm not implying here that you are not prioritizing moving on (how would I know), or planning to use that movement as an case study to sell local/P2P-first to others, but if you all are not that's going to be a permanent blot.

mxmilkiib 3y ago
Aside, a related concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefigurative_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefigurative_politics "modes of organization and social relationships that strive to reflect the future society being sought by the group. According to Carl Boggs, who coined the term, the desire is to embody "within the ongoing political practice of a movement [...] those forms of social relations, decision-making, culture, and human experience that are the ultimate goal". Besides this definition, Leach also gave light to the definition of the concept stating that the term "refers to a political orientation based on the premise that the ends a social movement achieves are fundamentally shaped by the means it employs, and that movement should therefore do their best to choose means that embody or prefigure the kind of society they want to bring about". Prefigurativism is the attempt to [act] [prefigurativly]." P.S. FWIW, as far as it stands, Zulip is the least annoying Discord alternative (and eventually Matrix might become better/non-slow).
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stevenicr 3y ago

I'd like to suggest that running wordpress with buddypress may fit the bill... and if you need chat (instead of the chat-similar groups messaging which is baked in) - you can also add wisechat to the mix. This system is loads easier than matrix imho - although I love love love matrix and want it to continue to succeed and be used. Blocking spam user signups and setting security plugins and auto-updates is not baked in.. but it's not hard and it's all open source - can run on a droplet or vps easily.

oso2k 3y ago

RocketChat does good with minimal resources. Red Hat used that internally for about 5 years in Consulting. Red Hat definitely fits the xkcd 1782 IRC meme, though.