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Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple i

Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple is digital/store services). You do understand that a browser is an application? And that Apple cripples literally ALL of them on iOS to push devs to their own non-compatible app ecosystem? How in the ever-loving fuck is that not dividing the web in your eyes?

mrtksn 3y ago
Please point me to the halves of the web which are divided by Apple.
- horsawlarway 3y ago
  https://www.apple.com/app-store/ https://www.apple.com/app-store/
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    I see the confusion, that's not the web.
    - horsawlarway 3y ago
      In all seriousness - which half of the new Google WEI divided web will you so confidently declare "That's not the web" for? Because this is the half Apple broke off to sell as iOS apps. A domain that is entirely exclusive to apple, and requires all sorts of hoops to gain access to (including purchasing Apple specific hardware). Further - they enforced that domain by strictly locking down down the capabilities of literally ANY browser a user might try to install on iOS. Because otherwise users might have chosen to use a progressive web app and Apple wouldn't get their fucking 30% store tax.
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        Easy, the part that doesn't work on Firefox. The problem isn't that other clients exist, a company that wants to have complete control of the UI can make an App that ensures it, they can deep link into it - no problem. The problem starts when the main platform used to consume the web starts having specialised features which make some websites work only on this one platform because the developers build specifically for this one platform. And no, this is not the same for the AppStore because the AppStore is not the web. Apple controls a minority share of the market, its not universal and it's not supposed to be universal - its a an additional distribution channel of content to Apple specific devices.
  - pertymcpert 3y ago
    So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.
    - chupasaurus 3y ago
      The definition of WWW is that it consists of web resources being accessible over Internet via HTTP. Also the term URL is a core part of WWW conception.
      - pertymcpert 3y ago
        Yes you are very right. The App Store is what Apple calls their way to put programs onto your iPhone. These programs however are not websites because you don't access them with your browser (like Safari or Chrome for example).
        horsawlarway 3y ago
        It's almost like there's two things here, and they do mostly the same thing, but someone... I don't know... "split" them. Divided them, if you will. Made it so that there is a closed system of software that only users on certain "approved" hardware can access and use, and also locked those users into that system by preventing real competition. I certainly am unable to see how that is entirely related to this conversation. It's a real puzzle to me...
        pertymcpert 3y ago
        I think you're not being serious, but I can see what you're trying to say. I don't think I agree because if you don't have an iPhone like my mum does, you can still do everything on internet. You can look up recipes and do all sorts of work. To her it's not really divided because everything already works. Apple hasn't done her any harm.

mrtksn 3y ago

Please point me to the halves of the web which are divided by Apple.

horsawlarway 3y ago
https://www.apple.com/app-store/ https://www.apple.com/app-store/
- mrtksn 3y ago
  I see the confusion, that's not the web.
  - horsawlarway 3y ago
    In all seriousness - which half of the new Google WEI divided web will you so confidently declare "That's not the web" for? Because this is the half Apple broke off to sell as iOS apps. A domain that is entirely exclusive to apple, and requires all sorts of hoops to gain access to (including purchasing Apple specific hardware). Further - they enforced that domain by strictly locking down down the capabilities of literally ANY browser a user might try to install on iOS. Because otherwise users might have chosen to use a progressive web app and Apple wouldn't get their fucking 30% store tax.
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      Easy, the part that doesn't work on Firefox. The problem isn't that other clients exist, a company that wants to have complete control of the UI can make an App that ensures it, they can deep link into it - no problem. The problem starts when the main platform used to consume the web starts having specialised features which make some websites work only on this one platform because the developers build specifically for this one platform. And no, this is not the same for the AppStore because the AppStore is not the web. Apple controls a minority share of the market, its not universal and it's not supposed to be universal - its a an additional distribution channel of content to Apple specific devices.
- pertymcpert 3y ago
  So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.
  - chupasaurus 3y ago
    The definition of WWW is that it consists of web resources being accessible over Internet via HTTP. Also the term URL is a core part of WWW conception.
    - pertymcpert 3y ago
      Yes you are very right. The App Store is what Apple calls their way to put programs onto your iPhone. These programs however are not websites because you don't access them with your browser (like Safari or Chrome for example).
      - horsawlarway 3y ago
        It's almost like there's two things here, and they do mostly the same thing, but someone... I don't know... "split" them. Divided them, if you will. Made it so that there is a closed system of software that only users on certain "approved" hardware can access and use, and also locked those users into that system by preventing real competition. I certainly am unable to see how that is entirely related to this conversation. It's a real puzzle to me...
        pertymcpert 3y ago
        I think you're not being serious, but I can see what you're trying to say. I don't think I agree because if you don't have an iPhone like my mum does, you can still do everything on internet. You can look up recipes and do all sorts of work. To her it's not really divided because everything already works. Apple hasn't done her any harm.