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> However, Apple did not attempt to divide the web then use its dominant position to make all the content only compatible with their stuff. Excuse me? We are

> However, Apple did not attempt to divide the web then use its dominant position to make all the content only compatible with their stuff. Excuse me? We are talking about "App store" Apple here, right? The Apple that prevents any 3rd party browsers on their platform so devs have to support safari? The Apple that refused to support progressive web apps to push devs into their store? The Apple which literally won't let users install software they don't approve of, Apple? That Apple? That's the company you're picking as "didn't attempt to divide the web"? Ooof. You've been drinking so much Kool-aid your tongue is purple.

mrtksn 3y ago
We are talking about browsers actually. The grunge that web developers have against App Store is baseless because its what saved the open web so far. Check out the linked article, the moment Chrome have its way into iOS, the web will die because Google will have IE level dominance. The web as we know it goes away, the browser becomes an AppStore where everything is optimised for data collection and ad serve. We already have an AppStore, let's keep having a WWW. And about the anger towards the AppStore? Well, you should be able to overcome it by drinking some herbal tea.
- horsawlarway 3y ago
  Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple is digital/store services). You do understand that a browser is an application? And that Apple cripples literally ALL of them on iOS to push devs to their own non-compatible app ecosystem? How in the ever-loving fuck is that not dividing the web in your eyes?
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Please point me to the halves of the web which are divided by Apple.
    - horsawlarway 3y ago
      https://www.apple.com/app-store/ https://www.apple.com/app-store/
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        I see the confusion, that's not the web.
        horsawlarway 3y ago
        In all seriousness - which half of the new Google WEI divided web will you so confidently declare "That's not the web" for? Because this is the half Apple broke off to sell as iOS apps. A domain that is entirely exclusive to apple, and requires all sorts of hoops to gain access to (including purchasing Apple specific hardware). Further - they enforced that domain by strictly locking down down the capabilities of literally ANY browser a user might try to install on iOS. Because otherwise users might have chosen to use a progressive web app and Apple wouldn't get their fucking 30% store tax.
        mrtksn 3y ago
        Easy, the part that doesn't work on Firefox. The problem isn't that other clients exist, a company that wants to have complete control of the UI can make an App that ensures it, they can deep link into it - no problem. The problem starts when the main platform used to consume the web starts having specialised features which make some websites work only on this one platform because the developers build specifically for this one platform. And no, this is not the same for the AppStore because the AppStore is not the web. Apple controls a minority share of the market, its not universal and it's not supposed to be universal - its a an additional distribution channel of content to Apple specific devices.
      - pertymcpert 3y ago
        So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.

mrtksn 3y ago

We are talking about browsers actually. The grunge that web developers have against App Store is baseless because its what saved the open web so far. Check out the linked article, the moment Chrome have its way into iOS, the web will die because Google will have IE level dominance. The web as we know it goes away, the browser becomes an AppStore where everything is optimised for data collection and ad serve. We already have an AppStore, let's keep having a WWW. And about the anger towards the AppStore? Well, you should be able to overcome it by drinking some herbal tea.

horsawlarway 3y ago
Yes - we are. I'm talking about how Apple acts as a huge resistive force by dividing the web to push their app ecosystem (biggest growth in revenue for Apple is digital/store services). You do understand that a browser is an application? And that Apple cripples literally ALL of them on iOS to push devs to their own non-compatible app ecosystem? How in the ever-loving fuck is that not dividing the web in your eyes?
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Please point me to the halves of the web which are divided by Apple.
  - horsawlarway 3y ago
    https://www.apple.com/app-store/ https://www.apple.com/app-store/
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      I see the confusion, that's not the web.
      - horsawlarway 3y ago
        In all seriousness - which half of the new Google WEI divided web will you so confidently declare "That's not the web" for? Because this is the half Apple broke off to sell as iOS apps. A domain that is entirely exclusive to apple, and requires all sorts of hoops to gain access to (including purchasing Apple specific hardware). Further - they enforced that domain by strictly locking down down the capabilities of literally ANY browser a user might try to install on iOS. Because otherwise users might have chosen to use a progressive web app and Apple wouldn't get their fucking 30% store tax.
        mrtksn 3y ago
        Easy, the part that doesn't work on Firefox. The problem isn't that other clients exist, a company that wants to have complete control of the UI can make an App that ensures it, they can deep link into it - no problem. The problem starts when the main platform used to consume the web starts having specialised features which make some websites work only on this one platform because the developers build specifically for this one platform. And no, this is not the same for the AppStore because the AppStore is not the web. Apple controls a minority share of the market, its not universal and it's not supposed to be universal - its a an additional distribution channel of content to Apple specific devices.
    - pertymcpert 3y ago
      So that's a website, but if you look at the URL, it's on the apple.com domain name. So that doesn't really count as "the web". The "App Store" might look like a website to you but it's actually what we call a "native" app, which means that it's not a website at all but a computer program that runs on your iPhone if you have one.