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If everything is in your closet, how do you want to provide reliable auto-scale, redundancy, backups etc? I have friends in Ukraine, where shit literally blows

by iammjm 3y ago

If everything is in your closet, how do you want to provide reliable auto-scale, redundancy, backups etc? I have friends in Ukraine, where shit literally blows up on a daily basis. And if this example is too extreme for you, I also have friends in Germany, where overflowing rivers remove whole houses once a year. There are services that need to be reachable all the time and you simply need replication in different geographical places to achieve that. for me decentralization = resilience

rc_mob 3y ago
Managed bare metal hosting?
- noirbot 3y ago
  Does that actually mitigate the issues people have with Cloud stuff though? It's still "someone else's computer" at the end of the day. You're still having to deal with the eccentricities of whatever management layer they have on top of the computer to be able to rent it out to you. The fact that you're not buying it from Google or Amazon doesn't really make it less "cloud" in the "it's not local-first" sense.
jrm4 3y ago
Sure. Bittorrent-like tech has answers for you here.
itronitron 3y ago
Services that need to be reachable all the time tend to not be connected to the internet.
BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago
i don't? I just wanna have physical ownership of the photos I upload into the cloud if my shit goes down, only me is to blame and only me has a problem if my house get's blown over by a river, I have bigger problems than streaming music from my own personal server and backing up my own photos in a more ideal world, I have some replication on 'friends' servers. but nobody runs their own shit.
egypturnash 3y ago
Someone else's closet. Maybe you have an agreement with another friend and a set of scripts that do this. Maybe you're using some kind of decentralized backup system where you have a big blob of encrypted, de-duplicated Other People's Backups in exchange for all your stuff being treated the same. Or maybe you just don't provide all of this, maybe the entire network expects your server to be fragile and is running everything in a virtual machine to start with. You just have a box in the closet that runs a node in the mesh, with however much power and storage you want to throw at it, and this grants you x% of those numbers from ClosetMesh. It's pretty cheap and easy to have enough ClosetMesh storage to do something useful in a box about the size of the one your phone came in. There is probably at least one SF novel's worth of backstory between where we are now and the world where everything runs on top of ClosetMesh. Do you want to be part of it? There's a bunch of projects trying to make this sort of thing work.

by iammjm 3y ago

rc_mob 3y ago

Managed bare metal hosting?

noirbot 3y ago
Does that actually mitigate the issues people have with Cloud stuff though? It's still "someone else's computer" at the end of the day. You're still having to deal with the eccentricities of whatever management layer they have on top of the computer to be able to rent it out to you. The fact that you're not buying it from Google or Amazon doesn't really make it less "cloud" in the "it's not local-first" sense.

jrm4 3y ago

Sure. Bittorrent-like tech has answers for you here.

itronitron 3y ago

Services that need to be reachable all the time tend to not be connected to the internet.

BSEdlMMldESB 3y ago

i don't? I just wanna have physical ownership of the photos I upload into the cloud if my shit goes down, only me is to blame and only me has a problem if my house get's blown over by a river, I have bigger problems than streaming music from my own personal server and backing up my own photos in a more ideal world, I have some replication on 'friends' servers. but nobody runs their own shit.

egypturnash 3y ago

Someone else's closet. Maybe you have an agreement with another friend and a set of scripts that do this. Maybe you're using some kind of decentralized backup system where you have a big blob of encrypted, de-duplicated Other People's Backups in exchange for all your stuff being treated the same. Or maybe you just don't provide all of this, maybe the entire network expects your server to be fragile and is running everything in a virtual machine to start with. You just have a box in the closet that runs a node in the mesh, with however much power and storage you want to throw at it, and this grants you x% of those numbers from ClosetMesh. It's pretty cheap and easy to have enough ClosetMesh storage to do something useful in a box about the size of the one your phone came in. There is probably at least one SF novel's worth of backstory between where we are now and the world where everything runs on top of ClosetMesh. Do you want to be part of it? There's a bunch of projects trying to make this sort of thing work.