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So you left a job that paid 2x and exposed you to hard problems that require reliable solutions for a job inside the horror clusterfuck that's the modern web wh

So you left a job that paid 2x and exposed you to hard problems that require reliable solutions for a job inside the horror clusterfuck that's the modern web where nothing really "works" and there's no real engineering to speak of besides monkeys throwing crap in a shared pile and shovelling it out the door ASAP. Good for you I guess?

intelVISA 3y ago
Most people I know, inc. myself, would call this a "bruh moment". I can't fathom willingly entering the web mines if you've already sunk in the hours to master high perf native code, OSdev, dist systems etc. People usually enter web to avoid having to learn such things. To discard that knowledge and instead compete with an endless stream of fresh grads, boot camp grinders and LLMs for less money? A madness if I've seen one.
- sys_prog 3y ago
  Fun fact: I'm actually a bootcamp grad in web dev doing the opposite. I agree.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  Speaking as someone who does both: Web tech is more immediately rewarding. With C++ (and especially with modern web dev agile processes), you can spend a week building enough framework and infrastructure crap to stand up the barest inkling of a demo of the solution you plan to implement, only to have the whole thing pivot out from under you and become wasted work. More complicated languages and frameworks that manage memory and do UI and everything for you let you get to a prototype much faster, so you can see whether it'll work or whether you want to toss out the idea much sooner.
seanthemon 3y ago
Tell me you know nothing about web dev without telling me you know nothing about web dev
- ncann 3y ago
  It's hyperbolic but it's a common sentiment that I tend to agree with. The web dev world changes too fast and too often, many stacks involve absurd complexity for dubious performance and maintainability and other metrics.
- recursive 3y ago
  I've been doing web dev for 20+ years. Which part is wrong? It's not hard to find feature support or implementation differences between browsers. But these days, that's not really the problem. I can go read the ES language specification, and generally find user agents/node/deno/bun have compliant implementations. The problem is brittle "ecosystem" stuff. How are the create-react-apps going? How is module bundling going amidst the UMD/CJS/ESM war?
brnt 3y ago
HFT is still CRUD, CRUD for the extremely wealthy. If you want interesting, go to HPC large scale simulation.
gorjusborg 3y ago
The arrogance you are showing is disgusting. Even if the decision he made was a bad one, you don't know anything about why it made sense for him at the time. People aren't algorithms running in complete isolation and silence. They live in nuanced circumstances you can't possibly understand by his short history in a comment. I hope you can find understanding and peace in the future.
sfn42 3y ago
Damn so it's not just me having that impression. Guess I better steer towards other things..

intelVISA 3y ago

Most people I know, inc. myself, would call this a "bruh moment". I can't fathom willingly entering the web mines if you've already sunk in the hours to master high perf native code, OSdev, dist systems etc. People usually enter web to avoid having to learn such things. To discard that knowledge and instead compete with an endless stream of fresh grads, boot camp grinders and LLMs for less money? A madness if I've seen one.

sys_prog 3y ago
Fun fact: I'm actually a bootcamp grad in web dev doing the opposite. I agree.
shadowgovt 3y ago
Speaking as someone who does both: Web tech is more immediately rewarding. With C++ (and especially with modern web dev agile processes), you can spend a week building enough framework and infrastructure crap to stand up the barest inkling of a demo of the solution you plan to implement, only to have the whole thing pivot out from under you and become wasted work. More complicated languages and frameworks that manage memory and do UI and everything for you let you get to a prototype much faster, so you can see whether it'll work or whether you want to toss out the idea much sooner.

seanthemon 3y ago

Tell me you know nothing about web dev without telling me you know nothing about web dev

ncann 3y ago
It's hyperbolic but it's a common sentiment that I tend to agree with. The web dev world changes too fast and too often, many stacks involve absurd complexity for dubious performance and maintainability and other metrics.
recursive 3y ago
I've been doing web dev for 20+ years. Which part is wrong? It's not hard to find feature support or implementation differences between browsers. But these days, that's not really the problem. I can go read the ES language specification, and generally find user agents/node/deno/bun have compliant implementations. The problem is brittle "ecosystem" stuff. How are the create-react-apps going? How is module bundling going amidst the UMD/CJS/ESM war?

brnt 3y ago

HFT is still CRUD, CRUD for the extremely wealthy. If you want interesting, go to HPC large scale simulation.

gorjusborg 3y ago

The arrogance you are showing is disgusting. Even if the decision he made was a bad one, you don't know anything about why it made sense for him at the time. People aren't algorithms running in complete isolation and silence. They live in nuanced circumstances you can't possibly understand by his short history in a comment. I hope you can find understanding and peace in the future.

sfn42 3y ago

Damn so it's not just me having that impression. Guess I better steer towards other things..