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“It’s bad to call rescue workers pedophiles” is not a puritanical belief. “It’s bad to promise and sell technology that does not exist” is not a puritanical be

“It’s bad to call rescue workers pedophiles” is not a puritanical belief. “It’s bad to promise and sell technology that does not exist” is not a puritanical belief. “It’s bad to buy a company and then attempt to renege on its obligations to employees and service providers” is not a puritanical belief. These aren’t fringe beliefs whatsoever.

zpeti 3y ago
I didn’t say fringe. I said puritanical. In the US puritanism is mainstream. Next you’re in europe check out our attitude to nipples. Or people saying offensive things (non UK). I’ll grant you one thing, Europeans also hate billionaires. I guess that’s just the natural envy in every human being.
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  How would you recommend sampling a place’s attitude to nipples?
  - nativeit 3y ago
    Enthusiastically.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > I guess that’s just the natural envy in every human being. The resentment toward the very wealthy isn't generally because of envy at all. It's what happens when people use their wealth and power in a way that harms others.
  - zpeti 3y ago
    Musk is one of the last people you should think that of. Jamie Dimon - yeah sure. Musk? Really? Why? Probably because he takes a political stance? Funnily enough so does bezos and Zuckerberg but on the other side. But I don’t see how musks contribution to society is a net negative.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      You can't see how some people could have the opinion that Musk is a problem (without invoking political stances)? I think they make their cases pretty clear. Musk has been considered very problematic by a lot of people for quite a long time.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
There exists nuance: -pedoguy was verified as common slang in his area of SA: https://www.news24.com/news24/bi-archive/elon-musk-pedo-guy-really-was-an-insult-in-south-africa-but-not-common-2019-9 https://www.news24.com/news24/bi-archive/elon-musk-pedo-guy-... Is it odd/stupid to call someone an asshole on Twitter? Yes. But obviously some people think it is okay because their moral framework is… -visionaries suffer from too much optimism, but that is known and seems to be required to move the needle. -he tried to get out of the purchase deal but would have been forced to purchase, so it was all a shit show requiring more than one lacking human.
- llamaimperative 3y ago
  These are all excellent defenses of a 12-14 year old boy who truly doesn't know better.
- Kerb_ 3y ago
  The title of your link literally states that it wasn't common, and the slang means "creepy old guy". It's like if I called someone rapey, but I just meant pushy frat-bro like, and the insinuation that I meant they would rape someone is unfounded.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    Deeper in the article are quotes from people in the era/locale.
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    - Kerb_ 3y ago
      There's a whole urban dictionary page for "rapey" that explicitly includes "You don't think he would do it". "Rapey" could be considered common slang. I still think calling someone "rapey" or "pedo guy" directly implies rape or pedophilia, given that that's the whole point of using it as derogatory slang
weard_beard 3y ago
Some of the "puritanical beliefs" that put me off of Musk and his companies are also not that extreme, like: "It's bad to make statements about "return to office" critical of your employees while they are calling you out for poor working conditions." "It's bad to make anti-labor statements in general while your companies are being held up as a model of shoddy workmanship and poor safety practices." "It's bad to repeatedly make statements affirming your belief in American rights of citizenship like free speech and then take action that directly limits the speech of anyone you disagree with using your wealth." While not entirely bipartisan or free of judgement, I think are pretty reasonable.
andrei_says_ 3y ago
I recommend reading Esther Crawford’s take on working at Twitter pre- and post-acquisition. It is the first piece of writing which gave me deeper understanding outside of the duality of worship/judgment. https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1684291048682684416 https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/168429104868268441... An excerpt: > I learned a ton from watching Elon up close – the good, the bad and the ugly. His boldness, passion and storytelling is inspiring, but his lack of process and empathy is painful. > Elon has an exceptional talent for tackling hard physics-based problems but products that facilitate human connection and communication require a different type of social-emotional intelligence.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  I read it and it wasn’t all that enlightening. It’s exactly what anyone 80% burned by any egomaniac would write, which was exactly what it looked like from the outside too. FWIW Esther has no way of knowing if he has any exceptional talents outside of cult-building.

zpeti 3y ago

I didn’t say fringe. I said puritanical. In the US puritanism is mainstream. Next you’re in europe check out our attitude to nipples. Or people saying offensive things (non UK). I’ll grant you one thing, Europeans also hate billionaires. I guess that’s just the natural envy in every human being.

pfannkuchen 3y ago
How would you recommend sampling a place’s attitude to nipples?
- nativeit 3y ago
  Enthusiastically.
JohnFen 3y ago
> I guess that’s just the natural envy in every human being. The resentment toward the very wealthy isn't generally because of envy at all. It's what happens when people use their wealth and power in a way that harms others.
- zpeti 3y ago
  Musk is one of the last people you should think that of. Jamie Dimon - yeah sure. Musk? Really? Why? Probably because he takes a political stance? Funnily enough so does bezos and Zuckerberg but on the other side. But I don’t see how musks contribution to society is a net negative.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    You can't see how some people could have the opinion that Musk is a problem (without invoking political stances)? I think they make their cases pretty clear. Musk has been considered very problematic by a lot of people for quite a long time.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

There exists nuance: -pedoguy was verified as common slang in his area of SA: https://www.news24.com/news24/bi-archive/elon-musk-pedo-guy-really-was-an-insult-in-south-africa-but-not-common-2019-9 https://www.news24.com/news24/bi-archive/elon-musk-pedo-guy-... Is it odd/stupid to call someone an asshole on Twitter? Yes. But obviously some people think it is okay because their moral framework is… -visionaries suffer from too much optimism, but that is known and seems to be required to move the needle. -he tried to get out of the purchase deal but would have been forced to purchase, so it was all a shit show requiring more than one lacking human.

llamaimperative 3y ago
These are all excellent defenses of a 12-14 year old boy who truly doesn't know better.
Kerb_ 3y ago
The title of your link literally states that it wasn't common, and the slang means "creepy old guy". It's like if I called someone rapey, but I just meant pushy frat-bro like, and the insinuation that I meant they would rape someone is unfounded.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Deeper in the article are quotes from people in the era/locale.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - Kerb_ 3y ago
    There's a whole urban dictionary page for "rapey" that explicitly includes "You don't think he would do it". "Rapey" could be considered common slang. I still think calling someone "rapey" or "pedo guy" directly implies rape or pedophilia, given that that's the whole point of using it as derogatory slang

weard_beard 3y ago

Some of the "puritanical beliefs" that put me off of Musk and his companies are also not that extreme, like: "It's bad to make statements about "return to office" critical of your employees while they are calling you out for poor working conditions." "It's bad to make anti-labor statements in general while your companies are being held up as a model of shoddy workmanship and poor safety practices." "It's bad to repeatedly make statements affirming your belief in American rights of citizenship like free speech and then take action that directly limits the speech of anyone you disagree with using your wealth." While not entirely bipartisan or free of judgement, I think are pretty reasonable.

andrei_says_ 3y ago

I recommend reading Esther Crawford’s take on working at Twitter pre- and post-acquisition. It is the first piece of writing which gave me deeper understanding outside of the duality of worship/judgment. https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1684291048682684416 https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/168429104868268441... An excerpt: > I learned a ton from watching Elon up close – the good, the bad and the ugly. His boldness, passion and storytelling is inspiring, but his lack of process and empathy is painful. > Elon has an exceptional talent for tackling hard physics-based problems but products that facilitate human connection and communication require a different type of social-emotional intelligence.

ethanbond 3y ago
I read it and it wasn’t all that enlightening. It’s exactly what anyone 80% burned by any egomaniac would write, which was exactly what it looked like from the outside too. FWIW Esther has no way of knowing if he has any exceptional talents outside of cult-building.