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Later, IE was also hated for being tied to the OS (which was related but different to the "not evolving"). Another thing Safari has. So yeah, I also fully agree

Later, IE was also hated for being tied to the OS (which was related but different to the "not evolving"). Another thing Safari has. So yeah, I also fully agree. Safari is still the new IE.

mrtksn 3y ago
The reason IE was hated for being tied in the OS was because the OS was crashing due to the IE bugs. That's not the case with macOS or iOS at all, just because the OS provides a JS engine out of the box doesn't make it Windows Me grade.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  I disagree. It made it, so people with an older OS could not get a current IE. So you had ancient IE version linger for years and years. And with Safari, I can’t test any specific issues because we only have one mac, and it’s old and can’t run a current Safari. The situation is slightly better than with IE, as multiple macOS versions apparently (or so I was told) can run a newer Safari, but still not all.
- TheDong 3y ago
  > because the OS was crashing due to the IE bugs. That's not the case with macOS or iOS at all I mean, I've had iOS crash while using safari more often than I had windows 98 crash while using IE. At least back in the IE days, when a user found a site they couldn't open in IE, they could go download firefox. When a user encounters a websites that doesn't work on iOS safari, they can't download a different browser. Even worse, when you report the bug to the site owner (say your friend), they'll then say "Oh, sorry, I don't own an iPhone or macbook, so I'd have to pay $800+ to reproduce your bug", while with IE, it ran on basically any computer, and I think windows back then still had a trial version you could use for free.
oblio 3y ago
On a somewhat funny, somewhat related note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX It doesn't disprove your point, it's just a cute bit of trivia.
Semaphor 3y ago
If you downvote me, please tell me why my comment is wrong. Otherwise, no one learns anything.
smcleod 3y ago
IE was hated for being unreliable, lax on security and lacking in modern features. Safari / WebKit is incredibly performant and reliable with a modern feature set. Personally I’m not a fan of the UI but I guess it gets the job done.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  I said "also hated", as in "in addition".
  - smcleod 3y ago
    Ah, my apologies, I must’ve misread.

Later, IE was also hated for being tied to the OS (which was related but different to the "not evolving"). Another thing Safari has. So yeah, I also fully agree. Safari is still the new IE.

mrtksn 3y ago

The reason IE was hated for being tied in the OS was because the OS was crashing due to the IE bugs. That's not the case with macOS or iOS at all, just because the OS provides a JS engine out of the box doesn't make it Windows Me grade.

Semaphor 3y ago
I disagree. It made it, so people with an older OS could not get a current IE. So you had ancient IE version linger for years and years. And with Safari, I can’t test any specific issues because we only have one mac, and it’s old and can’t run a current Safari. The situation is slightly better than with IE, as multiple macOS versions apparently (or so I was told) can run a newer Safari, but still not all.
TheDong 3y ago
> because the OS was crashing due to the IE bugs. That's not the case with macOS or iOS at all I mean, I've had iOS crash while using safari more often than I had windows 98 crash while using IE. At least back in the IE days, when a user found a site they couldn't open in IE, they could go download firefox. When a user encounters a websites that doesn't work on iOS safari, they can't download a different browser. Even worse, when you report the bug to the site owner (say your friend), they'll then say "Oh, sorry, I don't own an iPhone or macbook, so I'd have to pay $800+ to reproduce your bug", while with IE, it ran on basically any computer, and I think windows back then still had a trial version you could use for free.

oblio 3y ago

On a somewhat funny, somewhat related note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX It doesn't disprove your point, it's just a cute bit of trivia.

Semaphor 3y ago

If you downvote me, please tell me why my comment is wrong. Otherwise, no one learns anything.

smcleod 3y ago

IE was hated for being unreliable, lax on security and lacking in modern features. Safari / WebKit is incredibly performant and reliable with a modern feature set. Personally I’m not a fan of the UI but I guess it gets the job done.

Semaphor 3y ago
I said "also hated", as in "in addition".
- smcleod 3y ago
  Ah, my apologies, I must’ve misread.