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What makes you not trust firefox? I don't remember hearing about them acting in bad faith, but I'd love to hear if they did. What features do you need that onl

What makes you not trust firefox? I don't remember hearing about them acting in bad faith, but I'd love to hear if they did. What features do you need that only Chromium can give you?

hutzlibu 3y ago
Ads and tracking(called studies) enabled by default from the browser - and marketing itself as privacy orientated. "What features do you need that only Chromium can give you?" WebGPU and sone features with webworkers.
- misnome 3y ago
  This. The first thing I have to do on firefox is turn off a load of advertising. That, crypto, and the Mr.Robot extension fiasco burned a _lot_ of goodwill.
  - viscousviolin 3y ago
    Are you talking about firefox not blocking website adds by default? I hadn't heard about the Mr.Robot fiasco, that's seriously troubling..
- viscousviolin 3y ago
  Oh interesting! Seems like a pretty specific requirement to have. Do you mind if I ask what you use those for? As for the tracking - I'm pretty sure Firefox blocks a lot of those by default, last time I checked it was plastered all across their homepage. It's not 100% effective, but if them making an effort to do the right thing pushes you away, you might be asking too much unfortunately. Building an entire browser takes a lot of energy and time, and Firefox seems like the kind of browser that's worth it in the long term.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "Do you mind if I ask what you use those for?" Game engine. "As for the tracking - I'm pretty sure Firefox blocks a lot of those by default, last time I checked it was plastered all across their homepage" And the thing is, that firefox itself is tracking you and sends that data home. Maybe look up what "studies" mean. But so far at least you can opt out of it, unlike with chrome.
    - viscousviolin 3y ago
      Ah, I see what you mean. I'm personally not against this at all, since the Firefox devs need feedback on what's working and what isn't. But I completely understand that some people won't accept this. Only thing I can't figure out is if this is opt-out or opt-in, because I might have mindlessly clicked yes on opting in during installation.
      - toastal 3y ago
        If you want the opt-out version of Fx, there’s LibreWolf & Mullvad.
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        What you mean is telemetry, that is something seperately. And it is also enabled by default( and also annoys me, but less so). But firefox studies means, (or can mean), that firefox will track you and sell that data to ad companies, if you "allow" it. Which everyone does, by default. This behavior from a "privacy orientated" company is close to a scam by me. Because a normal user who believes the privacy promise, won't know of, nor find these settings. And apparently now there is a third setting(on Firefox mobile, but not on desktop), that at least openly tells you they share tracking data with a ad companies. edit: ok, that is weirdly funny. "Adjust" the ad company firefox is apparently working together with, has a website, that does not really load in firefox at all, but only in chrome https://www.adjust.com/ https://www.adjust.com/
        viscousviolin 3y ago
        Selling data would be a bad move for sure. I can't seem to find anything when I search for it, do you maybe have a source I could take a look at?

What makes you not trust firefox? I don't remember hearing about them acting in bad faith, but I'd love to hear if they did. What features do you need that only Chromium can give you?

hutzlibu 3y ago

Ads and tracking(called studies) enabled by default from the browser - and marketing itself as privacy orientated. "What features do you need that only Chromium can give you?" WebGPU and sone features with webworkers.

misnome 3y ago
This. The first thing I have to do on firefox is turn off a load of advertising. That, crypto, and the Mr.Robot extension fiasco burned a _lot_ of goodwill.
- viscousviolin 3y ago
  Are you talking about firefox not blocking website adds by default? I hadn't heard about the Mr.Robot fiasco, that's seriously troubling..
viscousviolin 3y ago
Oh interesting! Seems like a pretty specific requirement to have. Do you mind if I ask what you use those for? As for the tracking - I'm pretty sure Firefox blocks a lot of those by default, last time I checked it was plastered all across their homepage. It's not 100% effective, but if them making an effort to do the right thing pushes you away, you might be asking too much unfortunately. Building an entire browser takes a lot of energy and time, and Firefox seems like the kind of browser that's worth it in the long term.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "Do you mind if I ask what you use those for?" Game engine. "As for the tracking - I'm pretty sure Firefox blocks a lot of those by default, last time I checked it was plastered all across their homepage" And the thing is, that firefox itself is tracking you and sends that data home. Maybe look up what "studies" mean. But so far at least you can opt out of it, unlike with chrome.
  - viscousviolin 3y ago
    Ah, I see what you mean. I'm personally not against this at all, since the Firefox devs need feedback on what's working and what isn't. But I completely understand that some people won't accept this. Only thing I can't figure out is if this is opt-out or opt-in, because I might have mindlessly clicked yes on opting in during installation.
    - toastal 3y ago
      If you want the opt-out version of Fx, there’s LibreWolf & Mullvad.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      What you mean is telemetry, that is something seperately. And it is also enabled by default( and also annoys me, but less so). But firefox studies means, (or can mean), that firefox will track you and sell that data to ad companies, if you "allow" it. Which everyone does, by default. This behavior from a "privacy orientated" company is close to a scam by me. Because a normal user who believes the privacy promise, won't know of, nor find these settings. And apparently now there is a third setting(on Firefox mobile, but not on desktop), that at least openly tells you they share tracking data with a ad companies. edit: ok, that is weirdly funny. "Adjust" the ad company firefox is apparently working together with, has a website, that does not really load in firefox at all, but only in chrome https://www.adjust.com/ https://www.adjust.com/
      - viscousviolin 3y ago
        Selling data would be a bad move for sure. I can't seem to find anything when I search for it, do you maybe have a source I could take a look at?