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It’s worse than this sadly, at least in Ventura. I previously gave access to an app to access removable storage (because there was no more granular way to just

It’s worse than this sadly, at least in Ventura. I previously gave access to an app to access removable storage (because there was no more granular way to just give the app access for a single folder - which is a serious freaking defect if anyone from Apple is reading this - that’s just plain bad), did some editing, then revoked the access. The problem is the access wasn’t revoked and it could still access the whole drive. Checked the settings pane - definitely no access to removable drives (and no full disk access), went back to app and it could still access. Went through tcc on the command line and it showed that the access was revoked but still it persisted reboots. In the end I had to completely reset the machine and start from scratch just to revoke that drive access. macOS really needs another Snow Leopard “no new features” release.

lapcat 3y ago
> macOS really needs another Snow Leopard “no new features” release. This has always been a myth. Snow Leopard had some massive changes "under the hood", and OS X 10.6.0 was very buggy, as can be seen by the release notes for 10.6.1, 10.6.2, etc. What people remember fondly about Snow Leopard was in actuality the 2 full years of bug fixes that occurred after its release. What Apple needs to do is end the yearly major OS release cycle. It doesn't leave enough time to fix the bugs before Apple engineers start working on new features for the next release.
- manderley 3y ago
  Focusing on changes "under the hood" instead of flashy new user-visible features was the entire point of that release, it's not a myth at all.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > Focusing on changes "under the hood" instead of flashy new user-visible features was the entire point of that release Yes. > it's not a myth at all. The myth is that no flashy new user-visible features meant that Snow Leopard was a "stable" release. It wasn't a stable release, any more so than any other major new OS version. Snow Leopard became stable over time, after many minor bug fix releases. Note the specific words I was replying to: "macOS really needs another Snow Leopard “no new features” release." macOS doesn't need any new major OS updates. Snow Leopard didn't help. Mac OS X 10.6.0 was in fact much buggier than Mac OS X 10.5.8 preceding it. What macOS needs is a long series of minor bug fix releases. This is crucial: as soon as you acknowledge that 10.6.0 was much buggier than 10.5.8, the whole idea that "we need another Snow Leopard" goes out the window.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      The old saying was you never run a X.0 release. You let all of the other "testers" to run it, and wait for the X.1 release to follow. I've even seen it annotated to not running an even version number.
      - lapcat 3y ago
        X.1 isn't so great either.
- plorkyeran 3y ago
  Yeah, each OS version is much better a year after release than at release. If they had a two year release cycle, you could spend most of your time on a stable version of the OS as long as you weren't installing the new major version right away. With a one year cycle, you're upgrading to the new buggy thing shortly after the previous one got to a decent state. Unfortunately as an iOS developer just not upgrading isn't an option - Xcode drops support for the previous version of macOS a few months after the release, and submitting to the app store requires using recent versions of Xcode. You can lag at most about a year behind.
2Gkashmiri 3y ago
Wait.... What hostile application is running on your computer that you fear about giving drive access as opposed to folder access? Uh.. So if you do.... What will that app do? Why are you using such an app then? Isn't the idea like if you install an application on your own machine, it shouldn't be hostile to you and the app is trusted so why should I "fear" that the app has some access?

lapcat 3y ago

> macOS really needs another Snow Leopard “no new features” release. This has always been a myth. Snow Leopard had some massive changes "under the hood", and OS X 10.6.0 was very buggy, as can be seen by the release notes for 10.6.1, 10.6.2, etc. What people remember fondly about Snow Leopard was in actuality the 2 full years of bug fixes that occurred after its release. What Apple needs to do is end the yearly major OS release cycle. It doesn't leave enough time to fix the bugs before Apple engineers start working on new features for the next release.

manderley 3y ago
Focusing on changes "under the hood" instead of flashy new user-visible features was the entire point of that release, it's not a myth at all.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > Focusing on changes "under the hood" instead of flashy new user-visible features was the entire point of that release Yes. > it's not a myth at all. The myth is that no flashy new user-visible features meant that Snow Leopard was a "stable" release. It wasn't a stable release, any more so than any other major new OS version. Snow Leopard became stable over time, after many minor bug fix releases. Note the specific words I was replying to: "macOS really needs another Snow Leopard “no new features” release." macOS doesn't need any new major OS updates. Snow Leopard didn't help. Mac OS X 10.6.0 was in fact much buggier than Mac OS X 10.5.8 preceding it. What macOS needs is a long series of minor bug fix releases. This is crucial: as soon as you acknowledge that 10.6.0 was much buggier than 10.5.8, the whole idea that "we need another Snow Leopard" goes out the window.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    The old saying was you never run a X.0 release. You let all of the other "testers" to run it, and wait for the X.1 release to follow. I've even seen it annotated to not running an even version number.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      X.1 isn't so great either.
plorkyeran 3y ago
Yeah, each OS version is much better a year after release than at release. If they had a two year release cycle, you could spend most of your time on a stable version of the OS as long as you weren't installing the new major version right away. With a one year cycle, you're upgrading to the new buggy thing shortly after the previous one got to a decent state. Unfortunately as an iOS developer just not upgrading isn't an option - Xcode drops support for the previous version of macOS a few months after the release, and submitting to the app store requires using recent versions of Xcode. You can lag at most about a year behind.

2Gkashmiri 3y ago

Wait.... What hostile application is running on your computer that you fear about giving drive access as opposed to folder access? Uh.. So if you do.... What will that app do? Why are you using such an app then? Isn't the idea like if you install an application on your own machine, it shouldn't be hostile to you and the app is trusted so why should I "fear" that the app has some access?