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Google isn't a "steward" of anything. They are an entity concerned with expanding their own power. And there is absolutely nothing that you, or I, or any other
by p-e-w 3y ago
Google isn't a "steward" of anything. They are an entity concerned with expanding their own power. And there is absolutely nothing that you, or I, or any other browser maker, can do about it.
But at the very least, we can be honest. If Mozilla published a blog post today that said something like "While we are ideologically opposed to WebEnvironmentIntegrity, we will almost certainly be forced to implement it in Firefox eventually", my respect for them would rise tremendously.
Firefox has lost. There is no shame in admitting it. But there is shame in pretending it isn't so.
- ssklash 3y agoWhen you're a core member of the W3C, and you use that position to push browser features that help your browser and remove features that hurt your ad/surveillance-based business model, you are a steward, and a bad faith one at that. Your own phrasing indicates that there is a battle to be lost or won, and Google has indeed won. Which is pretty clearly a bad thing for the Internet as a whole, and quite good for a single company and their shareholders.
- bryanrasmussen 3y agohistorically respect has been reserved for people who kept fighting to the bitter end and not for those who gave up.
- p-e-w 3y agoNope. Only for those lucky one-in-a-thousand among them who did eventually win. Nobody respects, or even remembers, those who fought "to the bitter end" but lost anyway.
- Teever 3y agoWhat do you get out of making these kinds of posts on HN? Like, do you think it's productive to set some bait out so you can argue about something abstract or subjective like whether or people respect people who fight unwinnable battles? What does it get you in the end?
- bryanrasmussen 3y agoThe Spartans lost the Battle of Thermopylae. Thousands of other glorious defeats are immortalized throughout history in poetry and song.
- EMIRELADERO 3y agoWhat do you suggest people do, exactly, if they want to change the situation? Is it your position that such a thing is impossible, and we should all give up and move on? How do you think any major change was achieved, not only in the tech world but basically anywhere?
- technick 3y agoFirefox lost you, but it certainly hasn't lost me or anyone who slightly cares about their privacy.