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California agency wants to know what happens to all that connected car data
- rolph 3y agoGM pointed TechCrunch to its policy as well, noting that it is committed to protecting customers’ personal information. “GM takes data privacy seriously and is committed to safeguarding personal information,” the company said in an emailed statement. “For every GM vehicle, the vehicle owner must accept GM’s User Terms and Privacy Statement to use these products and services. These documents detail our data practices and are available online for consumers to review.” --this doesnt seem to even consider opting out of data collection entirely, it seems you have to do that by unplugging things.
- matheweis 3y agoWell, for now, at least, they collect it, and eventually it gets leaked, for example what happened with Toyota: [ Toyota: Car location data of 2 million customers exposed for ten years ] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35919133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35919133
- happytiger 3y agoIf a company truly valued their customers privacy, they wouldn’t collect the information or provide the capacity to do so. Any organization who says they “value customer privacy” while collecting data is lying or profoundly clueless.
- kramerger 3y agoThis is the right answer. Data is a liability. Gathering it costs money, storing it and protecting it costs money and if you leak it GDPR will make sure it costs you even more money. Hence if you see someone actively or passively collect your data chances are they are selling it to everyone who asks
- happytiger 3y agoExactly. You put it absolutely perfectly.
- sparrowInHand 3y agoThe more intersting thing is - why not have the queries run on the car as aggregator/filters and only send query meta data home? Why does it have to be rawall?
- sokoloff 3y agoIf I pre-filter the data and collect only the answers to questions I’ve already thought to ask about, I can't come back and ask different questions of the data and get those questions answered against the historical dataset. (I'm arguing for why they might choose to do it this way, not arguing that that's the best balance point for the system. I'm sure that laziness has a factor here as well, as "ship it all to the data warehouse and we'll figure it out later" has a certain appeal in project timelines and is often the default stance.)
- rasz 3y agoMy cynicism tells me some California politician is worried about his Lexus trips to visit a mistress. https://gbhackers.com/toyota-data-breach/ https://gbhackers.com/toyota-data-breach/ "The in-vehicle GPS navigation terminal ID number / The chassis number / Vehicle location information with time data."
- simmerup 3y agoAnd if so, that’s his right to not have a car company snooping on his business
- SenAnder 3y agoIt should be considered a "breach" as soon as that data leaves the vehicle. It's obscene that it's considered OK for your car manufacturer to spy on where and when you drive, and it's only a "breach" when some other party also gets that data.
- flangola7 3y agoAs someone who is going to buy a newer car soon, how do I make sure I get a model that doesn't have this kind of connectivity in it? Or at least has a hard disable. I've already taken the steps to make sure my phone isn't tied to my identity, it would be pointless if my car is tracking me anyway.
- rolph 3y agoapparently, camera feeds are collected as well. If this is true then there is room for quite a bit of theatre, literal theatre, to be injected into the data.