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The determination of whether a job is useless is largely left to the person responding to these surveys. If a person thinks their job is useless, then it is. Th

The determination of whether a job is useless is largely left to the person responding to these surveys. If a person thinks their job is useless, then it is. They may be right, but it's also possible that there is a disconnect between their perception and reality. The study uses the example of doormen who are considered to provide no useful function except as a symbol of prestige. However, I'd argue that if the doorman viewed themselves as that symbol rather than a necessary skill which facilitates ingress and egress, they may feel differently.E.g Vanna White isn't a letter flipper (useless), but an entertainer who flips letters as part of her job. There was a recent thread where a person working for a pizza shop was depressed because he felt as though he should make a larger contribution to society than "just working at a pizza shop." From a career advancement perspective, this job offers little opportunity. However, from the social perspective of feeding the people in his area, it's immensely helpful. Some of the fault for this disconnect belongs to their employers. Knowing the difference that they make in the world is helpful to everyone and something that companies rarely communicate.

Clubber 3y ago
>However, from the social perspective of feeding the people in his area, it's immensely helpful. Ya know, dollar for dollar, I bet pizza is responsible for more productivity than any computer.
zlg_codes 3y ago
> However, from the social perspective of feeding the people in his area, it's immensely helpful. Is it? Many of these places are serving WAY too many calories, in arguably questionable conditions, and relying on minimum wage labor to make it. So you're being paid to help other people pay to get fat. I think it should be okay to recognize that a job has no real value except generating income for the owner. If the owner cared about the work, he'd be right there next to the workers. People sometimes want pizza, and they're willing to part with money to get it. It's not deeper than that. The social value from a pizza job is in the vibe between your coworkers cursing the entitled customers, and the occasional good tip. Many people who work food service are down on their luck, drug users, or recovering druggies. Looking at it through a social lens, I would see this as the capital class exploiting the poor for income and furthering their suffering. Most jobs are bullshit. There are some that are supremely important, but most could be replaced or outright forgotten, and the only problem would be "We built a system assuming everyone was forced to work and support themselves, whoops." Humanity is slowly creeping up to the point where everyone doesn't need to work, and we're not socially ready for it.
iamthepieman 3y ago
I work for a contracting company that builds software for utility companies ,(gas, electric, water,telecom, etc). While I think it's important that people get their heat, light, water and cellphone/internet, it's also complicated. Many of our customers are exploitive (of the environment, customers, or their just local monopolies) is this net good or bad? I don't know. I'm looking for another job because I want to have more impact and I can't quit the system, buy an RV and travel around building poor people houses.

Clubber 3y ago

>However, from the social perspective of feeding the people in his area, it's immensely helpful. Ya know, dollar for dollar, I bet pizza is responsible for more productivity than any computer.

zlg_codes 3y ago

> However, from the social perspective of feeding the people in his area, it's immensely helpful. Is it? Many of these places are serving WAY too many calories, in arguably questionable conditions, and relying on minimum wage labor to make it. So you're being paid to help other people pay to get fat. I think it should be okay to recognize that a job has no real value except generating income for the owner. If the owner cared about the work, he'd be right there next to the workers. People sometimes want pizza, and they're willing to part with money to get it. It's not deeper than that. The social value from a pizza job is in the vibe between your coworkers cursing the entitled customers, and the occasional good tip. Many people who work food service are down on their luck, drug users, or recovering druggies. Looking at it through a social lens, I would see this as the capital class exploiting the poor for income and furthering their suffering. Most jobs are bullshit. There are some that are supremely important, but most could be replaced or outright forgotten, and the only problem would be "We built a system assuming everyone was forced to work and support themselves, whoops." Humanity is slowly creeping up to the point where everyone doesn't need to work, and we're not socially ready for it.

iamthepieman 3y ago

I work for a contracting company that builds software for utility companies ,(gas, electric, water,telecom, etc). While I think it's important that people get their heat, light, water and cellphone/internet, it's also complicated. Many of our customers are exploitive (of the environment, customers, or their just local monopolies) is this net good or bad? I don't know. I'm looking for another job because I want to have more impact and I can't quit the system, buy an RV and travel around building poor people houses.