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Ah yes, then you download an app for that. And that app has its own updater. Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions.

Ah yes, then you download an app for that. And that app has its own updater. Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. So you download an app for that, which comes with its own updater. And then you want a flat acceleration profile for your mouse, and you download an app for that. That, too, comes with its own updater. Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks and you'd much rather have Windows-like behavior. So you download an app for that, which also comes with its own updater. (Yes, yes, I know the arguments Apple users bring out, it's always been done this way on Mac etc etc. Still really bad.) Then you get a taste of auto-tiling on Linux and spend a couple hours setting up yabai and skhd (thankfully updated via homebrew), before realizing that you'll need to turn off SIP [1] for a semi-usable experience. Then you do go and turn off SIP, and you realize that your iOS apps no longer work because macOS has DRM built into its hardware that detects if you've turned off SIP. And then, one of those apps prompts you for an update, and in doing so it steals your keyboard focus while you're typing. And you say "is this what I spent $2500 to experience", and cry. [1] https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai#requirements-and-caveats https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai#requirements-and-caveat...

Tao3300 3y ago
What's an "update"? Don't you mean a helper? I come back from lunch and my MacBook sounds like a jet turbine and is nearly on fire. Something needs a whole CPU just to show me a freaking dialog.
dealuromanet 3y ago
> Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences. > Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks and you'd much rather have Windows-like behavior. No way. I love the cmd + tab and pairing that with keyboard shortcuts for navigating browser tabs is super powerful and doesn't require compromising the beautiful giant amount of screen real estate by inducing multitasking with multiple windows open. It's okay if it comes as a configuration but I would hope the default behavior stays this way.
- howinteresting 3y ago
  > No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad. > That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences. Have you actually tried it out? > No way. I love the cmd + tab and pairing that with keyboard shortcuts for navigating browser tabs is super powerful and doesn't require compromising the beautiful giant amount of screen real estate by inducing multitasking with multiple windows open. I really don't know how macOS-style application vs Windows-style window switchers have any bearing on this. Why should two Firefox windows next to each other be treated differently from a Firefox window next to Safari window? A browser window is a browser window.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    > Have you actually tried it out? Not parent commenter, but yes, there is literally a single tick you can turn on to reverse the direction since forever.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      Just to be pedantic, natural scrolling was introduced to OS X in 2011 with the release of Mac OS X Lion, 10.7.
    - spectre3d 3y ago
      To be clear, they’re asking about having scrolling on a mouse and trackpad act differently from each other. The System Preferences / System Settings ‘Natural Scrolling’ option affects both mouse and trackpad, even though they’re in different places, and without third-party software it’s not possible to do what the commenter is asking.
    - howinteresting 3y ago
      Sounds like you haven't tried it out.

Tao3300 3y ago

What's an "update"? Don't you mean a helper? I come back from lunch and my MacBook sounds like a jet turbine and is nearly on fire. Something needs a whole CPU just to show me a freaking dialog.

dealuromanet 3y ago

> Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences. > Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks and you'd much rather have Windows-like behavior. No way. I love the cmd + tab and pairing that with keyboard shortcuts for navigating browser tabs is super powerful and doesn't require compromising the beautiful giant amount of screen real estate by inducing multitasking with multiple windows open. It's okay if it comes as a configuration but I would hope the default behavior stays this way.

howinteresting 3y ago
> No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad. > That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences. Have you actually tried it out? > No way. I love the cmd + tab and pairing that with keyboard shortcuts for navigating browser tabs is super powerful and doesn't require compromising the beautiful giant amount of screen real estate by inducing multitasking with multiple windows open. I really don't know how macOS-style application vs Windows-style window switchers have any bearing on this. Why should two Firefox windows next to each other be treated differently from a Firefox window next to Safari window? A browser window is a browser window.
- kaba0 3y ago
  > Have you actually tried it out? Not parent commenter, but yes, there is literally a single tick you can turn on to reverse the direction since forever.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Just to be pedantic, natural scrolling was introduced to OS X in 2011 with the release of Mac OS X Lion, 10.7.
  - spectre3d 3y ago
    To be clear, they’re asking about having scrolling on a mouse and trackpad act differently from each other. The System Preferences / System Settings ‘Natural Scrolling’ option affects both mouse and trackpad, even though they’re in different places, and without third-party software it’s not possible to do what the commenter is asking.
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    Sounds like you haven't tried it out.