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I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year (https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-workstation/ https://jasonecke

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year (https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-workstation/ https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo...) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora at the end of August when it's fully released. Fedora has a stronger team and less issues as noted by Hector Martin: https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/109971521711413167 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/109971521711413167

c-hendricks 3y ago
I installed Arch to prep myself for the Steam Deck, and ended up liking it so much it's on all my machines. Arch Linux Arm, however, ugh. It works, sure. That post explains it pretty well.
OO000oo 3y ago
It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... Some say Wine is "cheating," but I say Wine is a platform. A good platform. That being said, I feel like the various editors integrating Stable Diffusion eat into a whole bunch of Photoshop functionality.
  - OO000oo 3y ago
    The current state of Wine Photoshop for the past 5 years is that it's unusable alongside other modern graphics software on modern hardware. The only high dpi version that you can expect to get working is CC2018 and it has a lot of bugs when running on Wine. CS6 runs perfectly and it's an excellent version of Photoshop, but it doesn't support high dpi so you'll have to lower your display resolution until you can read the menu text.
    - happymellon 3y ago
      This won't help anyone who requires Wine as part of their workflow, I luckily don't, but I understand that Wine should be on target to handle Wayland by the next release early 2024. This will give it proper HiDPI support and Vulkan rendering to help speed things up.
      - OO000oo 3y ago
        Does that mean CS6 on Wine will then work as if it was a hiDPI application? That would be amazing. I should also mention CS6 runs fast as hell on Wine. It was so good that when I tried using Linux as my daily driver (before I gave up) I would change my display resolution to use it instead of CC2018.
        happymellon 3y ago
        That is a great question that I have absolutely no idea about.
  - happymellon 3y ago
    I don't use Photoshop, but can you pin CC to an older version like 2020? I thought as a subscription they did mandatory version upgrades. That site says that 2021 and 2022 are both considered garbage.
    - OO000oo 3y ago
      You can just install the versions that you want, even multiple at a time.
- Knee_Pain 3y ago
  Photoshop exists on macOS, which is a *BSD. If something already runs on *BSD it's quite simple to port it to Linux. But they just won't do it until it becomes used enough
  - agsnu 3y ago
    It would be fair to say it's "quite simple" to port macOS apps to Linux if macOS apps were written against the Unix/POSIX API, but they are generally written using Apple's macOS-specific proprietary frameworks, meaning a Linux port of a GUI application would really be a re-write.
    - Knee_Pain 3y ago
      Adobe products look the same across Windows and macOS. I don't think they are using so much native stuff. They even ported their software to ARM, I think they could manage a Linux transition
      - qwytw 3y ago
        > They even ported their software to ARM Which is close to trivial if you're mainly using macOS APIs. Of course Adobe probably has a lot of platform-agnostic stuff but which wasn't that straightforward to port but I'm pretty sure the UI and system stuff is still mainly using Cocoa. I'm not even sure the macOS version would be necessarily that easier to port than the Windows one (then again there is probably not that much .net code in their tools)
  - valleyer 3y ago
    "Quite simple" is an enormous overstatement here. The API surface of macOS is a vast superset of POSIX, including lots of libraries (AppKit, e.g.) that are not open-source.
- nils-herzig 3y ago
  There is a GitHub repo with a one-click (curl pipe to bash) installer for Photoshop using wine. Works great. Not going to link it because of questionable legality haha but it's easy to find
- mechhacker 3y ago
  Is photoshop absolutely necessary? Krita is a great tool and works with a lot of the graphics tablets on the market (not sure about the ones with a display but maybe?), and I was using it on Linux many years ago. https://krita.org/ https://krita.org/
  - OO000oo 3y ago
    Yes. It's an industry standard in any digital art related industry. I know nothing about Krita and don't care to. It's not up to me. We need industry standards. Industry standards are a good thing.
xgbi 3y ago
> I've been using Asahi based on Arch [...] and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. > I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora [...] Fedora has a stronger team and less issues Why do you plan to change if the experience has been stellar? You mention issues, what kind did you encounter? I'm sorry if this feels rude, but I read your comment as a praise to Arch and then took an 180° turn to "I will switch to fedora ASAP".
- nepger21 3y ago
  > Today at Flock, we announced that Fedora Linux will soon be available on Apple Silicon Macs. Developed in close collaboration with the Fedora Asahi SIG and the Asahi Linux project, the Fedora Asahi Remix will provide a polished experience for Workstation and Server usecases on Apple Silicon systems. The Asahi Linux project has also announced that the new Asahi Linux flagship distribution will be Fedora Asahi Remix. This should clear it up from the article itself.
- jasoneckert 3y ago
  While my particular experience has been stellar (i.e., the issues related to package maintenance have not affected me per se), long term distribution maintenance is an important consideration for me. This is why I applaud the efforts of the Fedora team here, and why I'll be switching to Asahi Fedora later this month when it's ready.

c-hendricks 3y ago

I installed Arch to prep myself for the Steam Deck, and ended up liking it so much it's on all my machines. Arch Linux Arm, however, ugh. It works, sure. That post explains it pretty well.

OO000oo 3y ago

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... Some say Wine is "cheating," but I say Wine is a platform. A good platform. That being said, I feel like the various editors integrating Stable Diffusion eat into a whole bunch of Photoshop functionality.
- OO000oo 3y ago
  The current state of Wine Photoshop for the past 5 years is that it's unusable alongside other modern graphics software on modern hardware. The only high dpi version that you can expect to get working is CC2018 and it has a lot of bugs when running on Wine. CS6 runs perfectly and it's an excellent version of Photoshop, but it doesn't support high dpi so you'll have to lower your display resolution until you can read the menu text.
  - happymellon 3y ago
    This won't help anyone who requires Wine as part of their workflow, I luckily don't, but I understand that Wine should be on target to handle Wayland by the next release early 2024. This will give it proper HiDPI support and Vulkan rendering to help speed things up.
    - OO000oo 3y ago
      Does that mean CS6 on Wine will then work as if it was a hiDPI application? That would be amazing. I should also mention CS6 runs fast as hell on Wine. It was so good that when I tried using Linux as my daily driver (before I gave up) I would change my display resolution to use it instead of CC2018.
      - happymellon 3y ago
        That is a great question that I have absolutely no idea about.
- happymellon 3y ago
  I don't use Photoshop, but can you pin CC to an older version like 2020? I thought as a subscription they did mandatory version upgrades. That site says that 2021 and 2022 are both considered garbage.
  - OO000oo 3y ago
    You can just install the versions that you want, even multiple at a time.
Knee_Pain 3y ago
Photoshop exists on macOS, which is a *BSD. If something already runs on *BSD it's quite simple to port it to Linux. But they just won't do it until it becomes used enough
- agsnu 3y ago
  It would be fair to say it's "quite simple" to port macOS apps to Linux if macOS apps were written against the Unix/POSIX API, but they are generally written using Apple's macOS-specific proprietary frameworks, meaning a Linux port of a GUI application would really be a re-write.
  - Knee_Pain 3y ago
    Adobe products look the same across Windows and macOS. I don't think they are using so much native stuff. They even ported their software to ARM, I think they could manage a Linux transition
    - qwytw 3y ago
      > They even ported their software to ARM Which is close to trivial if you're mainly using macOS APIs. Of course Adobe probably has a lot of platform-agnostic stuff but which wasn't that straightforward to port but I'm pretty sure the UI and system stuff is still mainly using Cocoa. I'm not even sure the macOS version would be necessarily that easier to port than the Windows one (then again there is probably not that much .net code in their tools)
- valleyer 3y ago
  "Quite simple" is an enormous overstatement here. The API surface of macOS is a vast superset of POSIX, including lots of libraries (AppKit, e.g.) that are not open-source.
nils-herzig 3y ago
There is a GitHub repo with a one-click (curl pipe to bash) installer for Photoshop using wine. Works great. Not going to link it because of questionable legality haha but it's easy to find
mechhacker 3y ago
Is photoshop absolutely necessary? Krita is a great tool and works with a lot of the graphics tablets on the market (not sure about the ones with a display but maybe?), and I was using it on Linux many years ago. https://krita.org/ https://krita.org/
- OO000oo 3y ago
  Yes. It's an industry standard in any digital art related industry. I know nothing about Krita and don't care to. It's not up to me. We need industry standards. Industry standards are a good thing.

xgbi 3y ago

> I've been using Asahi based on Arch [...] and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. > I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora [...] Fedora has a stronger team and less issues Why do you plan to change if the experience has been stellar? You mention issues, what kind did you encounter? I'm sorry if this feels rude, but I read your comment as a praise to Arch and then took an 180° turn to "I will switch to fedora ASAP".

nepger21 3y ago
> Today at Flock, we announced that Fedora Linux will soon be available on Apple Silicon Macs. Developed in close collaboration with the Fedora Asahi SIG and the Asahi Linux project, the Fedora Asahi Remix will provide a polished experience for Workstation and Server usecases on Apple Silicon systems. The Asahi Linux project has also announced that the new Asahi Linux flagship distribution will be Fedora Asahi Remix. This should clear it up from the article itself.
jasoneckert 3y ago
While my particular experience has been stellar (i.e., the issues related to package maintenance have not affected me per se), long term distribution maintenance is an important consideration for me. This is why I applaud the efforts of the Fedora team here, and why I'll be switching to Asahi Fedora later this month when it's ready.