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> In the Cybersecurity, Infrastructure, and Cloud space, other than the main CSPs, most hiring of talent is now in Israel and India due to the lack of training

> In the Cybersecurity, Infrastructure, and Cloud space, other than the main CSPs, most hiring of talent is now in Israel and India due to the lack of training in kernel development, OS, networking, DBs, etc at American universities. Working in Cybersecurity for the past 6 years, based in the US. What you say is nowhere near accurate, and the reason why the landscape is still quite green in the US is simply because money.

alephnerd 3y ago
Have you been able to hire US based developers with experience in eBPF, C/C++, XDP, Linux internals, K8s internals, and/or Go because we sure as shit haven't despite trying for almost half a decade. Our entire agent team is now split across Eastern Europe, Israel, and India for this very reason. P.S. We were offering market rate (TC $200-300k/yr) before calling it quits and hiring in Eastern Europe/Israel/India for a TC of $60-110k/yr.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  We had an agent team at my previous employer, five people, all with several years of experience with C/C++, Linux and Mach kernels, etc. Most based in Austin, and this wasn't a large operation by any means. But of course you could easily find cheaper engineers somewhere else, you are looking at a pool of people two or three times larger after all. We also outsourced to Israel, India, and Ukraine, between 2012 and 2018. The final outcome was to dismantle all the operations there, move some to Mexico, and repatriate most of the work to the US.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Idk why our search hasn't been as great (ps I'm going to assume the previous employer was CRWD because Austin). The talent pool just doesn't seem as deep anymore in the US despite us offering pretty good salaries. At this point we were able to get US level engineering talent outside the US and I don't see us turning back, especially now that stsrtups like Wiz, Orca, etc are further enhancing the talent pool for our needs plus VMWare, Cisco, and Symantec/Broadcom's layoffs bringing us plenty of skilled engineers who returned back to the home country.

alephnerd 3y ago

Have you been able to hire US based developers with experience in eBPF, C/C++, XDP, Linux internals, K8s internals, and/or Go because we sure as shit haven't despite trying for almost half a decade. Our entire agent team is now split across Eastern Europe, Israel, and India for this very reason. P.S. We were offering market rate (TC $200-300k/yr) before calling it quits and hiring in Eastern Europe/Israel/India for a TC of $60-110k/yr.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
We had an agent team at my previous employer, five people, all with several years of experience with C/C++, Linux and Mach kernels, etc. Most based in Austin, and this wasn't a large operation by any means. But of course you could easily find cheaper engineers somewhere else, you are looking at a pool of people two or three times larger after all. We also outsourced to Israel, India, and Ukraine, between 2012 and 2018. The final outcome was to dismantle all the operations there, move some to Mexico, and repatriate most of the work to the US.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Idk why our search hasn't been as great (ps I'm going to assume the previous employer was CRWD because Austin). The talent pool just doesn't seem as deep anymore in the US despite us offering pretty good salaries. At this point we were able to get US level engineering talent outside the US and I don't see us turning back, especially now that stsrtups like Wiz, Orca, etc are further enhancing the talent pool for our needs plus VMWare, Cisco, and Symantec/Broadcom's layoffs bringing us plenty of skilled engineers who returned back to the home country.