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I doubt there would ever be parity but it could be good enough. Have to hand it Apple OS team, they know how to squeeze a lot out of there hardware. A while b

I doubt there would ever be parity but it could be good enough. Have to hand it Apple OS team, they know how to squeeze a lot out of there hardware. A while back I was trying to get an old G5 running and looking at the various OS options, many said just go with MacOS 10.4 - it was the most optimized OS for the system even today. When software and hardware work together, it can be pretty cool.

xp84 3y ago
I mean, for a kind of museum piece, to get the true experience of using the computer I’d agree for sure just use original OS. But if one wanted to be able to use it for most functional purposes, it’s sad how the complete lack of backcompat in MacOS makes using an old MacOS tough — which is sad because new Linux often can work surprisingly fine on the same hardware. Like, current Debian on a 2008 Core 2 Duo is a fine computer that you can browse the Web and do basic office tasks on. It was shocking to me!
- piyh 3y ago
  I want to run native containers without the orders of magnitude worse io performance than any other platform
IntelMiner 3y ago
As a Quad G5 owner, might I recommend OS X "Sorbet" It's an unofficial merging of OS X 10.5 with PowerPC builds of 10.6 components. Even on ancient G3's it out-performs both 10.4 and 10.5 in benchmarks
- hollandheese 3y ago
  Wait... how'd you get it working on G3 machines? As far as I know, 10.4 was the last release for G3s.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Apple is pretty famous for dropping machines before they absolutely have to.
    - xp84 3y ago
      Yup get ready for the Mac Pro that was on sale at full price until a few weeks ago at $7000 to be removed from the compatibility list for whatever comes after Sonoma.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        Lucky someone will make an installer that works for quite awhile until they change their processor again :)
  - IntelMiner 3y ago
    Retro computing enthusiast "Action Retro" has demoed Sorbet Leopard on his G3 laptops [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ponlb4QPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ponlb4QPY
    - hollandheese 3y ago
      His Pismo has a G4 upgrade card in it. So nope.
sharikous 3y ago
Yes but to be fair there haven't been a lot of ppc64 machines apart from Apple's G5 desktops. And the same is true for Apple Silicon. If you are basically the only one to use some piece of hardware (and you are the one who designed it) your software will be the most optimized out there almost by definition. This is to say that the focus is on the decision to customize heavily your hardware. Once you decide that it's a pretty low bar to say that your software is the best there is for running on that hardware.

xp84 3y ago

I mean, for a kind of museum piece, to get the true experience of using the computer I’d agree for sure just use original OS. But if one wanted to be able to use it for most functional purposes, it’s sad how the complete lack of backcompat in MacOS makes using an old MacOS tough — which is sad because new Linux often can work surprisingly fine on the same hardware. Like, current Debian on a 2008 Core 2 Duo is a fine computer that you can browse the Web and do basic office tasks on. It was shocking to me!

piyh 3y ago
I want to run native containers without the orders of magnitude worse io performance than any other platform

IntelMiner 3y ago

As a Quad G5 owner, might I recommend OS X "Sorbet" It's an unofficial merging of OS X 10.5 with PowerPC builds of 10.6 components. Even on ancient G3's it out-performs both 10.4 and 10.5 in benchmarks

hollandheese 3y ago
Wait... how'd you get it working on G3 machines? As far as I know, 10.4 was the last release for G3s.
- bombcar 3y ago
  Apple is pretty famous for dropping machines before they absolutely have to.
  - xp84 3y ago
    Yup get ready for the Mac Pro that was on sale at full price until a few weeks ago at $7000 to be removed from the compatibility list for whatever comes after Sonoma.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Lucky someone will make an installer that works for quite awhile until they change their processor again :)
- IntelMiner 3y ago
  Retro computing enthusiast "Action Retro" has demoed Sorbet Leopard on his G3 laptops [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ponlb4QPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ponlb4QPY
  - hollandheese 3y ago
    His Pismo has a G4 upgrade card in it. So nope.

sharikous 3y ago

Yes but to be fair there haven't been a lot of ppc64 machines apart from Apple's G5 desktops. And the same is true for Apple Silicon. If you are basically the only one to use some piece of hardware (and you are the one who designed it) your software will be the most optimized out there almost by definition. This is to say that the focus is on the decision to customize heavily your hardware. Once you decide that it's a pretty low bar to say that your software is the best there is for running on that hardware.