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SSN is voluntary. USA passport application has a spot for SSN and it may be left blank or may accidentally contain rando numbers (I have done both). TSA full bo

SSN is voluntary. USA passport application has a spot for SSN and it may be left blank or may accidentally contain rando numbers (I have done both). TSA full body scan is also voluntary, along with voluntary showing ID at their (Soviet era) checkpoints.

subsaharancoder 3y ago
> SSN is voluntary. USA passport application has a spot for SSN and it may be left blank or may accidentally contain rando numbers (I have done both). TSA full body scan is also voluntary, along with voluntary showing ID at their (Soviet era) checkpoints. I had to do a quick check on this TSA scan just to confirm that an opt out was possible, seems they changed the language back in 2015 https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy-tsa-pia-32-d-ait.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy... (page 3) to make it less optional. Basically it sounds like you can say NO, but they can override your NO for whatever reason.. "TSA is updating the AIT PIA to reflect a change to the operating protocol regarding the ability of individuals to opt out of AIT screening in favor of physical screening. While passengers may generally decline AIT screening in favor of physical screening, TSA may direct mandatory AIT screening for some passengers as warranted by security considerations in order to safeguard transportation security."
- landemva 3y ago
  That is what Thousands Standing Around say, but it's not the law. And there are ADA considerations (hint). I have never done more than metal detector or massage, and have been 1K flier. A friend flies with no ID and a federal ankle bracelet. Also opts out of full body scan.
walrus01 3y ago
Unless you literally live in a wood shack in the forest like the Unabomber good luck existing in modern USA society without an SSN. I suppose you could probably do it if you inherited generational wealth and lived from birth to death only spending cash on things.
- landemva 3y ago
  Usually doesn't even get that far because IRS bribes parents with a small deduction if they voluntarily get a beast number for their child. A motivated person could set up an LLC and do everything through that EIN. But few are motivated to protect their privacy.
pjmlp 3y ago
Most countries have a required ID, there is no way around it other than living illegally.

subsaharancoder 3y ago

> SSN is voluntary. USA passport application has a spot for SSN and it may be left blank or may accidentally contain rando numbers (I have done both). TSA full body scan is also voluntary, along with voluntary showing ID at their (Soviet era) checkpoints. I had to do a quick check on this TSA scan just to confirm that an opt out was possible, seems they changed the language back in 2015 https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy-tsa-pia-32-d-ait.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy... (page 3) to make it less optional. Basically it sounds like you can say NO, but they can override your NO for whatever reason.. "TSA is updating the AIT PIA to reflect a change to the operating protocol regarding the ability of individuals to opt out of AIT screening in favor of physical screening. While passengers may generally decline AIT screening in favor of physical screening, TSA may direct mandatory AIT screening for some passengers as warranted by security considerations in order to safeguard transportation security."

landemva 3y ago
That is what Thousands Standing Around say, but it's not the law. And there are ADA considerations (hint). I have never done more than metal detector or massage, and have been 1K flier. A friend flies with no ID and a federal ankle bracelet. Also opts out of full body scan.

walrus01 3y ago

Unless you literally live in a wood shack in the forest like the Unabomber good luck existing in modern USA society without an SSN. I suppose you could probably do it if you inherited generational wealth and lived from birth to death only spending cash on things.

landemva 3y ago
Usually doesn't even get that far because IRS bribes parents with a small deduction if they voluntarily get a beast number for their child. A motivated person could set up an LLC and do everything through that EIN. But few are motivated to protect their privacy.

pjmlp 3y ago

Most countries have a required ID, there is no way around it other than living illegally.