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> around death in north america I would just like to clarify - Canada is in North America and it is nothing like you describe above. Actually it's quite the op

by grecy 3y ago

> around death in north america I would just like to clarify - Canada is in North America and it is nothing like you describe above. Actually it's quite the opposite, our healthcare means we're literally all-in to help each other. You're talking about the United States, not "North America"

nemo44x 3y ago
Canada actively promotes suicide.
- grecy 3y ago
  I've been living here 15 years, and my partner works in healthcare. I've never once heard of suicide being "promoted". If you mean that assisted suicide is legal in Canada under very strict circumstances for terminally ill people, then yes, that is correct. It's legal in multiple developed countries around the world. Personally, after watching my Mum be eaten alive by Cancer that spread from her lungs to her bones to all her organs, I think it's merciful and much needed.
  - nemo44x 3y ago
    They aren’t strict at all and pretty much anyone that wants it can get it. https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867 https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c63... > Disability experts say the story is not unique in Canada, which arguably has the world’s most permissive euthanasia rules — allowing people with serious disabilities to choose to be killed in the absence of any other medical issue Absolutely disgusting and barbaric.
    - grecy 3y ago
      > Absolutely disgusting and barbaric You think it's disgusting and barbaric to allow people to make their own decisions about their own life? I, ah, disagree with you. I personally think people should be allowed to choose what they do with their own life. Personal Freedom and all that.
      - nemo44x 3y ago
        > You think it's disgusting and barbaric to allow people to make their own decisions about their own life? No, I think it’s awful that the state will kill people that are not terminally ill. These aren’t the “strict circumstances” you justified this with initially. Now it’s a “personal freedom” thing? And the state should assist in this? Killing someone’s who is sad isn’t a mercy killing like your mother had. It’s active promotion of suicide. Ridiculous. And still disgusting and barbaric.
        grecy 3y ago
        > No, I think it’s awful that the state will kill people that are not terminally ill Give it a rest, the state is a not "killing" anyone. "The State" allows people to choose to end their own life if they want to.
JimtheCoder 3y ago
"Actually it's quite the opposite, our healthcare means we're literally all-in to help each other." This sounds like someone who has never had significant interactions with the Canadian healthcare system...
- grecy 3y ago
  Been living here for 15 years now. Broken leg, broken nose, minor day surgery, partner just about to have a baby. Plenty of interactions.
  - JimtheCoder 3y ago
    Talk to me after you or a loved one has something "non-routine". Many shoulder shrugs, year long waitlists, misdiagnoses, not respecting DNRs, etc
Tiktaalik 3y ago
I don't think Canada is terribly different. It has the same who cares attitude toward car deaths as the USA.

by grecy 3y ago

nemo44x 3y ago

Canada actively promotes suicide.

grecy 3y ago
I've been living here 15 years, and my partner works in healthcare. I've never once heard of suicide being "promoted". If you mean that assisted suicide is legal in Canada under very strict circumstances for terminally ill people, then yes, that is correct. It's legal in multiple developed countries around the world. Personally, after watching my Mum be eaten alive by Cancer that spread from her lungs to her bones to all her organs, I think it's merciful and much needed.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  They aren’t strict at all and pretty much anyone that wants it can get it. https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867 https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c63... > Disability experts say the story is not unique in Canada, which arguably has the world’s most permissive euthanasia rules — allowing people with serious disabilities to choose to be killed in the absence of any other medical issue Absolutely disgusting and barbaric.
  - grecy 3y ago
    > Absolutely disgusting and barbaric You think it's disgusting and barbaric to allow people to make their own decisions about their own life? I, ah, disagree with you. I personally think people should be allowed to choose what they do with their own life. Personal Freedom and all that.
    - nemo44x 3y ago
      > You think it's disgusting and barbaric to allow people to make their own decisions about their own life? No, I think it’s awful that the state will kill people that are not terminally ill. These aren’t the “strict circumstances” you justified this with initially. Now it’s a “personal freedom” thing? And the state should assist in this? Killing someone’s who is sad isn’t a mercy killing like your mother had. It’s active promotion of suicide. Ridiculous. And still disgusting and barbaric.
      - grecy 3y ago
        > No, I think it’s awful that the state will kill people that are not terminally ill Give it a rest, the state is a not "killing" anyone. "The State" allows people to choose to end their own life if they want to.

JimtheCoder 3y ago

"Actually it's quite the opposite, our healthcare means we're literally all-in to help each other." This sounds like someone who has never had significant interactions with the Canadian healthcare system...

grecy 3y ago
Been living here for 15 years now. Broken leg, broken nose, minor day surgery, partner just about to have a baby. Plenty of interactions.
- JimtheCoder 3y ago
  Talk to me after you or a loved one has something "non-routine". Many shoulder shrugs, year long waitlists, misdiagnoses, not respecting DNRs, etc

Tiktaalik 3y ago

I don't think Canada is terribly different. It has the same who cares attitude toward car deaths as the USA.