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My partner and I are expecting our first baby, and we were looking at stats. Mothers-to-be in the US are much more likely to die in childbirth than in any othe

by grecy 3y ago

My partner and I are expecting our first baby, and we were looking at stats. Mothers-to-be in the US are much more likely to die in childbirth than in any other developed country. [1] When it comes to healthcare outcomes, the US is comparable to Latvia and Chile, not developed nations. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240400/maternal-mortality-rates-worldwide-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240400/maternal-mortali...

chmod775 3y ago
I'd expect the outcomes in hospitals to be about the same. It's just that Americans avoid those for obvious reasons. I highly recommend that you or your partner give birth surrounded by professionals, as well as getting check-ups done before - even if those professionals are expensive.
- 1270018080 3y ago
  And homeless people should just buy a house
thenerdhead 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis
x3iv130f 3y ago
The average in the US are heavily affected by obese African American women with diabetes lacking a highschool education. It's a societal issue more than a healthcare issue.
- 1270018080 3y ago
  The mortality rate is still 10x higher for white women in the US than the average in western europe.
nemo44x 3y ago
There's lies, damned lies, and statistics. You need to interpret these stats. America is a very broad place with a lot of different types of people. We have millions of people that refuse to accept medicine due to religious reasons. Similar to beliefs around birthing children. There are more weirdo's here than anywhere else. This works in America's favor in many ways but is negative in many ways too. If you're a normal person you don't have to worry. Subtract the weirdo's from the datasets and outcomes are fantastic. The same thing with all these other health and life expectancy numbers. If you're normal, avoid obesity, don't smoke or do drugs and avoid a variety of high risk behaviors, and visit your doctor then you're likely to live a long life.
- grecy 3y ago
  I'm not sure if it occurs to you, but exactly the same statement applies to every country on earth. "If you ignore the really bad cases, the average is fine". Australia accepts more immigrants per capita than any other country on earth - so it's extremely diverse, and remote. Why are the health outcomes in Australia AT LEAST 10x better than the US?
  - nemo44x 3y ago
    Nah you’re blinded by the stats again. Americans are wildly different than everywhere else and far more diverse. Americans distrust of and hostility towards authority is unparalleled. The number of kids with no vaccines has quadrupled since 2000 in America and millions of people, either through religion or otherwise refuse medical services. This is completely unlike other western countries. Australia’s diversity is nothing like America and nowhere like the scale. I’ve spent considerable time in both countries and Australia is nothing like America and it’s basically a mono-culture. On top of that Americans have a lot of other issues like higher rates of obesity and drug use. It’s cultural here and it’s a lot of people. Way more by percentage than other western countries. An Australian living like an Australian will generally have better health outcomes in America than back home.
lowkeyoptimist 3y ago
This not only includes childbirth, but also up to 42 days after childbirth. This site below goes into the breakdown and the leading causes of death surrounding prenatal, birth, and postpartum deaths in the US. Obesity and heart disease rears its ugly head again sadly along with access to healthcare. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-brief-report/2020/dec/maternal-mortality-united-states-primer https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-brief-re... Then there is some work regarding opioid use and death through pregnancy and postpartum periods that account more quite a bit as well sadly. https://healthcare.utah.edu/press-releases/2019/05/opioids-leading-cause-of-pregnancy-associated-death-new-utah-moms https://healthcare.utah.edu/press-releases/2019/05/opioids-l...

by grecy 3y ago

chmod775 3y ago

I'd expect the outcomes in hospitals to be about the same. It's just that Americans avoid those for obvious reasons. I highly recommend that you or your partner give birth surrounded by professionals, as well as getting check-ups done before - even if those professionals are expensive.

1270018080 3y ago
And homeless people should just buy a house

thenerdhead 3y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis

x3iv130f 3y ago

The average in the US are heavily affected by obese African American women with diabetes lacking a highschool education. It's a societal issue more than a healthcare issue.

1270018080 3y ago
The mortality rate is still 10x higher for white women in the US than the average in western europe.

nemo44x 3y ago

There's lies, damned lies, and statistics. You need to interpret these stats. America is a very broad place with a lot of different types of people. We have millions of people that refuse to accept medicine due to religious reasons. Similar to beliefs around birthing children. There are more weirdo's here than anywhere else. This works in America's favor in many ways but is negative in many ways too. If you're a normal person you don't have to worry. Subtract the weirdo's from the datasets and outcomes are fantastic. The same thing with all these other health and life expectancy numbers. If you're normal, avoid obesity, don't smoke or do drugs and avoid a variety of high risk behaviors, and visit your doctor then you're likely to live a long life.

grecy 3y ago
I'm not sure if it occurs to you, but exactly the same statement applies to every country on earth. "If you ignore the really bad cases, the average is fine". Australia accepts more immigrants per capita than any other country on earth - so it's extremely diverse, and remote. Why are the health outcomes in Australia AT LEAST 10x better than the US?
- nemo44x 3y ago
  Nah you’re blinded by the stats again. Americans are wildly different than everywhere else and far more diverse. Americans distrust of and hostility towards authority is unparalleled. The number of kids with no vaccines has quadrupled since 2000 in America and millions of people, either through religion or otherwise refuse medical services. This is completely unlike other western countries. Australia’s diversity is nothing like America and nowhere like the scale. I’ve spent considerable time in both countries and Australia is nothing like America and it’s basically a mono-culture. On top of that Americans have a lot of other issues like higher rates of obesity and drug use. It’s cultural here and it’s a lot of people. Way more by percentage than other western countries. An Australian living like an Australian will generally have better health outcomes in America than back home.

lowkeyoptimist 3y ago

This not only includes childbirth, but also up to 42 days after childbirth. This site below goes into the breakdown and the leading causes of death surrounding prenatal, birth, and postpartum deaths in the US. Obesity and heart disease rears its ugly head again sadly along with access to healthcare. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-brief-report/2020/dec/maternal-mortality-united-states-primer https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-brief-re... Then there is some work regarding opioid use and death through pregnancy and postpartum periods that account more quite a bit as well sadly. https://healthcare.utah.edu/press-releases/2019/05/opioids-leading-cause-of-pregnancy-associated-death-new-utah-moms https://healthcare.utah.edu/press-releases/2019/05/opioids-l...