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> HEISENBERG: [...] I believe this uranium business will give the Anglo–Saxons such tremendous power that EUROPE will become a bloc under Anglo–Saxon domination
by lqet 3y ago
> HEISENBERG: [...] I believe this uranium business will give the Anglo–Saxons such tremendous power that EUROPE will become a bloc under Anglo–Saxon domination. If that is the case it will be a very good thing. I wonder whether STALIN will be able to stand up to the others as he has done in the past.
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> WIRTZ: It seems to me that the political situation for STALIN has changed completely now.
> WEIZSÄCKER: I hope so. STALIN certainly has not got it yet. If the Americans and the British were good Imperialists they would attack STALIN with the thing tomorrow, but they won't do that, they will use it as a political weapon. Of course that is good, but the result will be a peace which will last until the Russians have it, and then there is bound to be war.
- jxramos 3y agoWow, this Weizsacker fellow predicted the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference pretty much? Sounds like it was this individual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4...
- lqet 3y agoHis brother was president of Germany from 1984 to 1994. It's quite an illustrious family [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weizs%C3%A4cker_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weizs%C3%A4cker_family
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- hh3k0 3y ago> KORSCHING: "I would rather take Swedish nationality than stay in GERMANY and wait for the next war. On the other hand I would not make any effort to become British. If there is nothing more to be made out of GERMANY, one should at anyrate get away from RUSSIA."
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- shpx 3y agoCould you spell out what specifically you find significant about this quote?
- daliusd 3y agoMaybe it is note that situation has not changed since then and how Merkel has failed with her foreign politics with Russia and how Germany is paying now because of it. Or maybe it is proof how insightful this is.
- shpx 3y agoHe's a Nazi that worked on uranium enrichment saying he wants to stay away from the country his bomb would've presumably been used to ethnically cleanse with unprecedented efficiency. What "situation" are you hoping will change?
- coldtea 3y agoYeah, if anything united Nazis and western allies, was their anti-USSR hating [1]. Which was the common ground for the western financial and infrastructure support and tolerance for Hitler before the war. [1] Which was not about the situation in USSR itself (they could not care less, they supported worse attrocities before and after the war), but about losing their colonial and geopolitical influence, and about their own workers being "tempted" into socialism and demanding more rights, unions, and such.
- agapon 3y agoIf anything united Nazis and Soviets it was their anti-democracy hating. Which was the ground for Soviets providing material support to Germany, training to German officers, etc. Right?
- legitster 3y agoI recently listened to the Hardcore History about atomic weapons and I hadn't realized how right as WWII ended everyone was ready to wage nuclear war against Stalin immediately.
- myth_drannon 3y agoKnowing that US was supplying USSR with weapons,airplanes, trucks and helping build entire factories right up until the end of the war and then wanted to nuke the same ally is really buffling. One one hand can be said, yes they wanted USSR to bleed fighting Germany (or do the harder fighting part) on the other hand it's just confusing and possibly different fractions within US government wanting different things.
- legitster 3y agoIt was purely a functional alliance - no more. I don't think anyone had any preconceived notions that it was anything other than a marriage of convenience. Keep in mind that Stalin himself professed and acted on the belief that coexistence with capitalism was impossible and thought that conflict with the West was inevitable within 15 years of WWII. We're all lucky that he died before then and the cooler head of Khrushchev prevailed.
- dmix 3y agoThe weapon part of the US contribution is way overrated. The Soviets produced 157k airplanes, the US only gave them 11k (7%). US gave 7k tanks, Soviets produced 87,500 (8%). The main contribution by the US was support vehicles like jeeps and trucks and fuel. Neither the aircraft or tanks were very notable beyond the very early years. The Soviets largely did it on the own armour/aircraft wise. Which was why Hitler was so obsessed with invading in the first place. He knew unless they rushed to invade Russia could unleash it's massive capacity for production that'd they'd be impossible to invade on their own, or at a minimum be way harder to beat.
- fishtockos 3y ago> The main contribution by the US was support vehicles like jeeps and trucks and fuel Obviously, these are all absolutely critical. As is the aluminum, high-octane avgas, etc that the Soviets obtained via Lend-Lease
- hirundo 3y agoWeizacker wasn't alone in that opinion: [John] Von Neumann was, at the time, a strong supporter of "preventive war." Confident even during World War II that the Russian spy network had obtained many of the details of the atom bomb design, Von Neumann knew that it was only a matter of time before the Soviet Union became a nuclear power. He predicted that were Russia allowed to build a nuclear arsenal, a war against the U.S. would be inevitable. He therefore recommended that the U.S. launch a nuclear strike at Moscow, destroying its enemy and becoming a dominant world power, so as to avoid a more destructive nuclear war later on. "With the Russians it is not a question of whether but of when," he would say. An oft-quoted remark of his is, "If you say why not bomb them tomorrow, I say why not today? If you say today at 5 o'clock, I say why not one o'clock?" https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/soco/projects/1998-99/game-theory/neumann.html https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/soco/project...
- nequo 3y agoVon Neumann deserves tremendous recognition but not for his sense of diplomacy.
- D_Alex 3y agoFor his smarts, but not for his wisdom.
- raverbashing 3y agoImagine that. He probably had the calculations in a 4x4 grid matching the possibilities already I think he might be on to something ;)
- ttflee 3y agoFun fact: hardcore xenophobic narratives in China has been using the term Anlgo-Saxons (昂撒), in recent years.
- mseepgood 3y agoRussian propaganda as well.
- ttflee 3y agoYeah. I guess most of the Chinese propagandists received training imported from Russia.
- H8crilA 3y agoIt's a fairly common term in many languages. It just means "English speaking nations". It's similar to "caucasian" meaning white (who cares any more that they crossed the Caucasus? but the term sticks).
- BlueTemplar 3y agoWhy wouldn't they ?
- wirrbel 3y agoGerman Angelsächsisch (literal translation is Anglo Saxon) is typically used in German as an umbrella term for the English speaking world, so Britain-USA-commonwealth is covered by it. While it is used sometimes to “other” the English speaking world it does not lend itself as easily as other terms for xenophobia because three German regions are actually called Saxony (Lower Saxony and (upper) saxony, saxony-Anhalt. Xenophobic speech in German would often refer to “der Engländer”, or “der Amerikaner” (the Englishman, the American)
- ttflee 3y agoChatGPT told me: > Yes, Nazi propaganda did often refer to the Allies, particularly the UK and the US, using terms such as “Anglo-American” or “Anglo-Saxon” in a pejorative sense. This language reflected the Nazis’ racist ideology, in which they posited a hierarchy of races with Aryans at the top and viewed others, including Anglo-Saxons, as lesser or enemies. This also served to foster animosity and dehumanize the Allies among the German populace. However, such language was not universally used by all within the Nazi regime, and the terminology often varied depending on the context and specific propaganda objectives at the time.
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