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> Adtech isn't even that successful as far as I can see. And then > While I block a lot of internet stalkers via PiHole at home People who don't buy things a

> Adtech isn't even that successful as far as I can see. And then > While I block a lot of internet stalkers via PiHole at home People who don't buy things after clicking on ads, who block all the ads they see, who are completely immune and hate ads, are not really qualified to talk about whether they work or not. Not only is this pure anecdote, and the billions spent on advertising every year as a glaring counterpoint to your comment, but you are obviously biased against the concept. This whole site is rabidly anti-advertising. Like we should all still be using terminal BBS and VIM because they are "better." These posts are so tiring.

IggleSniggle 3y ago
> Like we should all still be using terminal BBS and VIM because they are "better." Well, to be fair...tabs ARE objectively better than spaces for tabulating a coherent hierarchy. ...and terminal BBS and vim are better.
- dspillett 3y ago
  > tabs ARE objectively better than spaces It takes two to make an argument, and I think both those viewpoints are wrong! Tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment. (actually, I have an idea for dynamic tabs which might do both jobs better that I need to throw a demo of together to try to convince code editors that it is worth implementing)
  - IggleSniggle 3y ago
    "Tabs for identation, spaces for alignment" is "tabs for tabulation of hierarchy." Alignment is formatting, not hierarchical.
  - ttepasse 3y ago
    You may be interested in the wunderfull Elastic Tabstops concept which although it has proof of concepts and plugins for most editors sadly never got widespread adoption: https://nick-gravgaard.com/elastic-tabstops/ https://nick-gravgaard.com/elastic-tabstops/
    - dspillett 3y ago
      That is almost exactly what I was thinking with "dynamic tabs" (just missing a few extra bits that are probably just me overcomplicating things anyway so wouldn't be in any initial PoC). Thanks for the link, I'll investigate further from there.
dspillett 3y ago
You have made some significantly incorrect assumptions there: 1. That I block things everyehere. “PiHole at home” does not cover all my browsing, far from it. 2. That “PiHole at home” blocks everything at home. Again, far from it. Many wish it were that effective. 3. That “PiHole at home” blocks all the data tracked by the likes of Facebook in-app. It is massively ineffective against that, and a few other techniques. 4. That I am, in fact, anti-advert. I'm anti being stalked around most of my life which does not have to be the same thing. Unfortunately blocking the latter also blocks the former because currently they are the same thing, or at least very closely overlapped. I don't use sponsor-block, because the segments that it blocks are not based on stalking but are often relevant to the information being consumed (not always of course: if I'm watching a summary or an IP related legal case the relevance of, for instance, a tank based casual game is at best dubious). I'm also anti-other-irritating patterns (auto-playing audio, auto-playing video, eating CPU and draining my battery when mobile, etc.) which are also endemic to advertising and like the tracking they do not need to be. 5. That companies paying billions for advertising means that the stalking works (as the old joke says: “Eat shit, 136×10¹⁵ flies can't all be wrong!”. The adtech industry is grossly disingenuous in both directions: to us when they tell us they value our privacy and to their customers when they make exaggerated claims about how effective their huge personal data dataset is as getting extra sales for any arbitrary products/services, compared to just advertising in places relevant to the product/service (or just carpet bombing our senses, the method apparently being employed by Temu ATM). The companies paying into this have little choice because the vast majority of adtech is doing exactly the same things and making pretty much the same claims. Everyone in adtech does it because if they didn't they'd lose sales to those who do and convince ad-space buyers that it makes a significant difference. > are not really qualified to talk about whether they work or not Some might question whether a person making five incorrect sweeping assumptions in three sentences, is really qualified to talk about whatever it is that they are talking about :)

IggleSniggle 3y ago

> Like we should all still be using terminal BBS and VIM because they are "better." Well, to be fair...tabs ARE objectively better than spaces for tabulating a coherent hierarchy. ...and terminal BBS and vim are better.

dspillett 3y ago
> tabs ARE objectively better than spaces It takes two to make an argument, and I think both those viewpoints are wrong! Tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment. (actually, I have an idea for dynamic tabs which might do both jobs better that I need to throw a demo of together to try to convince code editors that it is worth implementing)
- IggleSniggle 3y ago
  "Tabs for identation, spaces for alignment" is "tabs for tabulation of hierarchy." Alignment is formatting, not hierarchical.
- ttepasse 3y ago
  You may be interested in the wunderfull Elastic Tabstops concept which although it has proof of concepts and plugins for most editors sadly never got widespread adoption: https://nick-gravgaard.com/elastic-tabstops/ https://nick-gravgaard.com/elastic-tabstops/
  - dspillett 3y ago
    That is almost exactly what I was thinking with "dynamic tabs" (just missing a few extra bits that are probably just me overcomplicating things anyway so wouldn't be in any initial PoC). Thanks for the link, I'll investigate further from there.

dspillett 3y ago

You have made some significantly incorrect assumptions there: 1. That I block things everyehere. “PiHole at home” does not cover all my browsing, far from it. 2. That “PiHole at home” blocks everything at home. Again, far from it. Many wish it were that effective. 3. That “PiHole at home” blocks all the data tracked by the likes of Facebook in-app. It is massively ineffective against that, and a few other techniques. 4. That I am, in fact, anti-advert. I'm anti being stalked around most of my life which does not have to be the same thing. Unfortunately blocking the latter also blocks the former because currently they are the same thing, or at least very closely overlapped. I don't use sponsor-block, because the segments that it blocks are not based on stalking but are often relevant to the information being consumed (not always of course: if I'm watching a summary or an IP related legal case the relevance of, for instance, a tank based casual game is at best dubious). I'm also anti-other-irritating patterns (auto-playing audio, auto-playing video, eating CPU and draining my battery when mobile, etc.) which are also endemic to advertising and like the tracking they do not need to be. 5. That companies paying billions for advertising means that the stalking works (as the old joke says: “Eat shit, 136×10¹⁵ flies can't all be wrong!”. The adtech industry is grossly disingenuous in both directions: to us when they tell us they value our privacy and to their customers when they make exaggerated claims about how effective their huge personal data dataset is as getting extra sales for any arbitrary products/services, compared to just advertising in places relevant to the product/service (or just carpet bombing our senses, the method apparently being employed by Temu ATM). The companies paying into this have little choice because the vast majority of adtech is doing exactly the same things and making pretty much the same claims. Everyone in adtech does it because if they didn't they'd lose sales to those who do and convince ad-space buyers that it makes a significant difference. > are not really qualified to talk about whether they work or not Some might question whether a person making five incorrect sweeping assumptions in three sentences, is really qualified to talk about whatever it is that they are talking about :)