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I wonder if shutting off the firehose means that the adtech companies will try to eke out a living riffing off all the old data they managed to acquire about al

I wonder if shutting off the firehose means that the adtech companies will try to eke out a living riffing off all the old data they managed to acquire about all of us up to now, so we'll get even less relevant spam, tied to what we were shopping for years ago. Someone needs to build a GPT adblocker that just recognizes "this seems to be trying to sell you something, hiding now..."

jamiequint 3y ago
What do you think pays for the free and open internet? Or are you just well off enough that you don't have to care?
- pc86 3y ago
  The internet isn't free if you have to give up your privacy for invasive ads and tracking in order to read a recipe on a blog.
- pithou 3y ago
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- ifdefdebug 3y ago
  I pay a whopping 80 euro per month for my free and open internet to our ISP, one fiber and two mobile devices.
  - nceqs3 3y ago
    Straw-man. The grandparent is pointing out that services like Google, Instagram and YouTube would be behind paywalls without ads. There is no free internet without ads.
    - sethammons 3y ago
      > There is no free internet without ads. of course there is. Because there was. It existed. Eventually we got banner ads. It just got worse after that. People ran their own servers, so did companies. They paid to have their own content online for whatever reason they wished. And often you would get cut off, "so and so's website can only serve 200 requests a day, come back tomorrow." My server runs ad free for no other reason than I want it there with some of my content. Ads enabled a bigger internet and "content creators" who work full time growing the internet. The internet was just fine without these professional content creators.
      - nceqs3 3y ago
        So only rich people who can afford to run their own servers and have the technical knowledge to put one together should be allowed to share content?
        sethammons 3y ago
        people who didn't run servers shared stuff all the time (email, forums, etc). For it to be hosted, someone had to find it worthwhile and have the funds, yeah.
        JohnFen 3y ago
        You don't need to be rich or have any strong technical knowledge. Setting up and running your own website is cheap and easy, and even if you don't want to do that, there are plenty of others who provide fora to you.
    - pdimitar 3y ago
      It's not a straw-man, a question has been asked and answered. I pay my ISP bill. Everyone else can take their problems with my "free" internet to them.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      > There is no free internet without ads. Nonsense. Of course there is. It may not include Google, IG, YouTube, etc., true, but that's very far from the entire internet. And, notably, I pay money to YouTube.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  Sounds like they'll have to figure out something else.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I think it's a stretch to call the larger web "free and open" at this point. But there was a day, before ads, that it certainly was!
kstrauser 3y ago
I want less relevant ads. If I continually saw ads for, say, a new Raspberry Pi accessory, I might start considering it even though I don’t need it. No amount of ad bombardment would ever get me to buy feminine hygiene products.

jamiequint 3y ago

What do you think pays for the free and open internet? Or are you just well off enough that you don't have to care?

pc86 3y ago
The internet isn't free if you have to give up your privacy for invasive ads and tracking in order to read a recipe on a blog.
pithou 3y ago
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ifdefdebug 3y ago
I pay a whopping 80 euro per month for my free and open internet to our ISP, one fiber and two mobile devices.
- nceqs3 3y ago
  Straw-man. The grandparent is pointing out that services like Google, Instagram and YouTube would be behind paywalls without ads. There is no free internet without ads.
  - sethammons 3y ago
    > There is no free internet without ads. of course there is. Because there was. It existed. Eventually we got banner ads. It just got worse after that. People ran their own servers, so did companies. They paid to have their own content online for whatever reason they wished. And often you would get cut off, "so and so's website can only serve 200 requests a day, come back tomorrow." My server runs ad free for no other reason than I want it there with some of my content. Ads enabled a bigger internet and "content creators" who work full time growing the internet. The internet was just fine without these professional content creators.
    - nceqs3 3y ago
      So only rich people who can afford to run their own servers and have the technical knowledge to put one together should be allowed to share content?
      - sethammons 3y ago
        people who didn't run servers shared stuff all the time (email, forums, etc). For it to be hosted, someone had to find it worthwhile and have the funds, yeah.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        You don't need to be rich or have any strong technical knowledge. Setting up and running your own website is cheap and easy, and even if you don't want to do that, there are plenty of others who provide fora to you.
  - pdimitar 3y ago
    It's not a straw-man, a question has been asked and answered. I pay my ISP bill. Everyone else can take their problems with my "free" internet to them.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > There is no free internet without ads. Nonsense. Of course there is. It may not include Google, IG, YouTube, etc., true, but that's very far from the entire internet. And, notably, I pay money to YouTube.
bigbillheck 3y ago
Sounds like they'll have to figure out something else.
JohnFen 3y ago
I think it's a stretch to call the larger web "free and open" at this point. But there was a day, before ads, that it certainly was!

kstrauser 3y ago

I want less relevant ads. If I continually saw ads for, say, a new Raspberry Pi accessory, I might start considering it even though I don’t need it. No amount of ad bombardment would ever get me to buy feminine hygiene products.