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I don't know -- Tao Lin claims he cured his autism by eating raw eggs and honey.

by slibhb 3y ago

go_elmo 3y ago
I know people that claim to live from sunlight alone. Your point is meaningless
- edgyquant 3y ago
  His claim at least isn’t a blatant lie while yours clearly is
  - go_elmo 3y ago
    So youre saying its not disproven that autism cannot be cured, hm interesting. Then you surely must also think that conversion therapy can work, many people there report it worked for them too, didnt they? And I did not lie. There are people who claim that. That they die weeks later is another part of the story. Point Im wanting to make: claims dont prove anything.
  - nemo 3y ago
    >His claim at least isn’t a blatant lie while yours clearly is Let's see what Tao Lin has to say for himself about being "cured": >Through nutrition, detoxification, exercise, writing (and other autism-friendly forms of self-expression), reading (allowing me to alleviate loneliness in private, without distress), cannabis, change-catalyzing psychedelics, meditation, and practice, I’ve become much less autistic since high school and college. I estimate I now range from 30 to 98 percent more autistic than my peers, depending on the hour, day, week, and month; every symptom varies, I’ve learned, depending on sleep, situation, inflammation levels, cultural consumption, mindset, and hundreds of other factors. see: https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/xl952r/tao_lin_claims_to_have_cured_his_autism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/xl952r/tao_lin... Note he didn't say he was cured at all, he said he's "30 to 98 percent more autistic than my peers," and also said that a lot of his treatment wasn't dietary. You might want to reflect on this a while. You introduced the idea of "lying" which isn't a generous way to interact with anyone. I'd suggest you consider giving others more of the benefit of the doubt. You're very wrong on multiple levels here, but I would never accuse you of lying, I believe you were just mistaken. I'd also suggest you spend a while doing more investigation into the claim that there's a "cure" for autism. No experts believe this, and the reason is because not only is there no reason to believe such an thing exists (and no evidence), but the idea of a "cure" probably fundamentally misunderstands what autism is to the best of our current knowledge.
    - go_elmo 3y ago
      Thanks a lot for supporting the current state of art research on the field. Imagine the horrors of not being taken seriously, people saying we need to be cured - i cannot not compare it to conversion therapies for lgbtq+. There are actually institutions promoting this, called ABA therapies. We need people like you to thrive as part of this society, thanks a lot! :D
      - nemo 3y ago
        True, that ABA "treatment" is utterly pernicious. Framing autism as an illness that needs to be treated or cured is problematic. Human neurodiversity is a broad spectrum with a great deal diversity, and talking about a "cure" pathologizes that which is not only wrong-headed, but can be incredibly harmful in practice as ABA therapy illustrates.
  - packet_nerd 3y ago
    People who practice Breatharianism claim to live without food and get sustenance from various mystical sources, including sunshine (they either don't live very long or else are frauds and do secretly eat). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRniMqhr00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRniMqhr00 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia To me it seems uncalled for to accuse go_elmo of lying about knowing some of these people.
nemo 3y ago
>Through nutrition, detoxification, exercise, writing (and other autism-friendly forms of self-expression), reading (allowing me to alleviate loneliness in private, without distress), cannabis, change-catalyzing psychedelics, meditation, and practice, I’ve become much less autistic since high school and college. I estimate I now range from 30 to 98 percent more autistic than my peers, depending on the hour, day, week, and month; every symptom varies, I’ve learned, depending on sleep, situation, inflammation levels, cultural consumption, mindset, and hundreds of other factors. It was more than eggs an honey. Also looking into him a bit, he still seems very autistic despite being "cured."
- go_elmo 3y ago
  Curing autism is as ludacris as curing homosexuality. If you laugh now please remember this in 20 years and admit that you were wrong, thanks
  - MonaroVXR 3y ago
    What is your view about AD(H)D?
    - go_elmo 3y ago
      The biggest issue people with adhd have (me included) is focus. Methylphenidate helps a lot with that as its mechanism is proven. It does however not change the "neurodivergent" thinking and processing. There still is a clear distinction from non-adhd ers - in all aspects of being, including communication. Many issues that make these things a "malfunction" are due to todays system of work and society. Not judging anything, but simply pointing out the huge diff between that and e.g. hunter-gatherer societies where we lived in at least 100x longer - the genotypes of adhd & asd established themselves over that periods in humans, compared to "disease" like trisomy 21 the rates are much higher too - its not a disease but a neurotype and most research agrees today. Humanity Profits from diversity in all forms, like all biological systems - it makes them more resilient (thats also used in ML btw). Trying to cure such things by making them dissapear is sick by design and often results in eugenics theories. I use this opportunity to say that "help" organizations like autism speaks that promote finding "cures" do a lot of harm - similar to conversion therapies for lgbtq people. Autistics should self advocate as much as possible, thats also the safest organisations to support. I must say that thats solely my opinion - many autistics also suffer a lot and would love to be healed - even if it means losing their personality, sufferings are real. I just dont think its realistic to implement such things until we understand tvmhe brain fully and could also e.g. change psychopaths, color blind people etc (not easy "fixes") Thanks a lot for asking and reading this!

I don't know -- Tao Lin claims he cured his autism by eating raw eggs and honey.

by slibhb 3y ago

I don't know -- Tao Lin claims he cured his autism by eating raw eggs and honey.

go_elmo 3y ago

I know people that claim to live from sunlight alone. Your point is meaningless

edgyquant 3y ago
His claim at least isn’t a blatant lie while yours clearly is
- go_elmo 3y ago
  So youre saying its not disproven that autism cannot be cured, hm interesting. Then you surely must also think that conversion therapy can work, many people there report it worked for them too, didnt they? And I did not lie. There are people who claim that. That they die weeks later is another part of the story. Point Im wanting to make: claims dont prove anything.
- nemo 3y ago
  >His claim at least isn’t a blatant lie while yours clearly is Let's see what Tao Lin has to say for himself about being "cured": >Through nutrition, detoxification, exercise, writing (and other autism-friendly forms of self-expression), reading (allowing me to alleviate loneliness in private, without distress), cannabis, change-catalyzing psychedelics, meditation, and practice, I’ve become much less autistic since high school and college. I estimate I now range from 30 to 98 percent more autistic than my peers, depending on the hour, day, week, and month; every symptom varies, I’ve learned, depending on sleep, situation, inflammation levels, cultural consumption, mindset, and hundreds of other factors. see: https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/xl952r/tao_lin_claims_to_have_cured_his_autism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/xl952r/tao_lin... Note he didn't say he was cured at all, he said he's "30 to 98 percent more autistic than my peers," and also said that a lot of his treatment wasn't dietary. You might want to reflect on this a while. You introduced the idea of "lying" which isn't a generous way to interact with anyone. I'd suggest you consider giving others more of the benefit of the doubt. You're very wrong on multiple levels here, but I would never accuse you of lying, I believe you were just mistaken. I'd also suggest you spend a while doing more investigation into the claim that there's a "cure" for autism. No experts believe this, and the reason is because not only is there no reason to believe such an thing exists (and no evidence), but the idea of a "cure" probably fundamentally misunderstands what autism is to the best of our current knowledge.
  - go_elmo 3y ago
    Thanks a lot for supporting the current state of art research on the field. Imagine the horrors of not being taken seriously, people saying we need to be cured - i cannot not compare it to conversion therapies for lgbtq+. There are actually institutions promoting this, called ABA therapies. We need people like you to thrive as part of this society, thanks a lot! :D
    - nemo 3y ago
      True, that ABA "treatment" is utterly pernicious. Framing autism as an illness that needs to be treated or cured is problematic. Human neurodiversity is a broad spectrum with a great deal diversity, and talking about a "cure" pathologizes that which is not only wrong-headed, but can be incredibly harmful in practice as ABA therapy illustrates.
- packet_nerd 3y ago
  People who practice Breatharianism claim to live without food and get sustenance from various mystical sources, including sunshine (they either don't live very long or else are frauds and do secretly eat). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRniMqhr00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRniMqhr00 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia To me it seems uncalled for to accuse go_elmo of lying about knowing some of these people.

nemo 3y ago

>Through nutrition, detoxification, exercise, writing (and other autism-friendly forms of self-expression), reading (allowing me to alleviate loneliness in private, without distress), cannabis, change-catalyzing psychedelics, meditation, and practice, I’ve become much less autistic since high school and college. I estimate I now range from 30 to 98 percent more autistic than my peers, depending on the hour, day, week, and month; every symptom varies, I’ve learned, depending on sleep, situation, inflammation levels, cultural consumption, mindset, and hundreds of other factors. It was more than eggs an honey. Also looking into him a bit, he still seems very autistic despite being "cured."

go_elmo 3y ago
Curing autism is as ludacris as curing homosexuality. If you laugh now please remember this in 20 years and admit that you were wrong, thanks
- MonaroVXR 3y ago
  What is your view about AD(H)D?
  - go_elmo 3y ago
    The biggest issue people with adhd have (me included) is focus. Methylphenidate helps a lot with that as its mechanism is proven. It does however not change the "neurodivergent" thinking and processing. There still is a clear distinction from non-adhd ers - in all aspects of being, including communication. Many issues that make these things a "malfunction" are due to todays system of work and society. Not judging anything, but simply pointing out the huge diff between that and e.g. hunter-gatherer societies where we lived in at least 100x longer - the genotypes of adhd & asd established themselves over that periods in humans, compared to "disease" like trisomy 21 the rates are much higher too - its not a disease but a neurotype and most research agrees today. Humanity Profits from diversity in all forms, like all biological systems - it makes them more resilient (thats also used in ML btw). Trying to cure such things by making them dissapear is sick by design and often results in eugenics theories. I use this opportunity to say that "help" organizations like autism speaks that promote finding "cures" do a lot of harm - similar to conversion therapies for lgbtq people. Autistics should self advocate as much as possible, thats also the safest organisations to support. I must say that thats solely my opinion - many autistics also suffer a lot and would love to be healed - even if it means losing their personality, sufferings are real. I just dont think its realistic to implement such things until we understand tvmhe brain fully and could also e.g. change psychopaths, color blind people etc (not easy "fixes") Thanks a lot for asking and reading this!