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> I come out of a top 5 Grande École after having done my classes préparatoires in the highly famous high school of Boulogne s/s Mer Sure and I went to ESSEC a

by brmgb 3y ago

> I come out of a top 5 Grande École after having done my classes préparatoires in the highly famous high school of Boulogne s/s Mer Sure and I went to ESSEC after doing my prépa in Tours and grewing up in the countryside. Guess where did 95% of my classmates came from. The plural of anecdata, something, something… The system is utter garbage as was pointed by Bourdieux decades ago. It’s not even cheap which could have been its sole redeeming quality. Social mobility indicators in France are even worse than in the UK, a case study of what not to do.

shakow 3y ago
> It’s not even cheap Then you got shafted. It's a couple of hundred euros per year when you're on a stipend. > The system is utter garbage as was pointed by Bourdieux decades ago And what did Bourdieux propose?
- brmgb 3y ago
  > It's a couple of hundred euros per year when you're on a stipend. I was talking about what it costs to the state. You do realise it’s heavily subsidised, don’t you?
  - shakow 3y ago
    And why shouldn't it be? Heavily subsidizing education is paramount for a state, and an investment into its own future. BTW, what did Bourdieux propose?
    - brmgb 3y ago
      The issue is not that it’s heavily subsidised. It’s that it has piss poor results for what it costs the French public compared to what’s done by others. Bourdieu didn’t need to propose anything. He proved data in hand that the system was unfair. A quick look at the current situation of France should tell you all you need to know about how effective the system actually is. But finding ideas is not that hard. We could just get our heads out of our asses and copy what’s done in a country having better results. Spoiler alert, the answer is not a system generalising the structure of military schools to whole areas of higher educations put in place by a military dictatorship to curb the emergence of dissenting elites in the university system. It still baffle me that this has to be pointed to the average French. This country really deserves what it has become.
      - shakow 3y ago
        > Bourdieu didn’t need to propose anything. He proved data in hand that the system was unfair. La crtitique est aisée, l'art est difficile. > We could just get our heads out of our asses and copy what’s done in a country having better results. Id est? The US system, where you can get a pass into an Ivy league if your granddaddy paid enough money, the Chinese system where any exam can be skipped with a few millions yuans, or the Russian system where the children are taken from their families at 12y.o.?

by brmgb 3y ago

shakow 3y ago

> It’s not even cheap Then you got shafted. It's a couple of hundred euros per year when you're on a stipend. > The system is utter garbage as was pointed by Bourdieux decades ago And what did Bourdieux propose?

brmgb 3y ago
> It's a couple of hundred euros per year when you're on a stipend. I was talking about what it costs to the state. You do realise it’s heavily subsidised, don’t you?
- shakow 3y ago
  And why shouldn't it be? Heavily subsidizing education is paramount for a state, and an investment into its own future. BTW, what did Bourdieux propose?
  - brmgb 3y ago
    The issue is not that it’s heavily subsidised. It’s that it has piss poor results for what it costs the French public compared to what’s done by others. Bourdieu didn’t need to propose anything. He proved data in hand that the system was unfair. A quick look at the current situation of France should tell you all you need to know about how effective the system actually is. But finding ideas is not that hard. We could just get our heads out of our asses and copy what’s done in a country having better results. Spoiler alert, the answer is not a system generalising the structure of military schools to whole areas of higher educations put in place by a military dictatorship to curb the emergence of dissenting elites in the university system. It still baffle me that this has to be pointed to the average French. This country really deserves what it has become.
    - shakow 3y ago
      > Bourdieu didn’t need to propose anything. He proved data in hand that the system was unfair. La crtitique est aisée, l'art est difficile. > We could just get our heads out of our asses and copy what’s done in a country having better results. Id est? The US system, where you can get a pass into an Ivy league if your granddaddy paid enough money, the Chinese system where any exam can be skipped with a few millions yuans, or the Russian system where the children are taken from their families at 12y.o.?