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talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater; i'm not interested in inter-domain squabbles, I just wanted to read about your distro.. now, less so. sepa

by serf 3y ago

talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater; i'm not interested in inter-domain squabbles, I just wanted to read about your distro.. now, less so. separate the drama and direct it to those that can enact change. manipulating the commons with emotional pleas to put pressure on operators is the same reason I can't stand twitter. it's trivial to get around, but i'm not going to. whynot? because i'm being stereotyped as a 'HN user', and generalizations (as mentioned in the plea) are harmful and unfriendly. So, much like they did , i'm opting out; but I only lose a single experience, they lose an audience.

hot_gril 3y ago
Linux open source world has always been full of drama and unusual personalities. Just look at Richard "interject for a moment" Stallman and Linus "no YOU are full of bullshit" Torvalds. It's pretty fun ngl. Idk much about Asahi but seems like some guy is releasing incredibly impressive work while also trolling a bunch of grouchy people with the vtuber and anime stuff.
mort96 3y ago
"I'm being stereotyped as a 'HN user'" no you're not, they're just blocking HN. Stop being so fragile. "I'm not reading their tech blog because they blocked traffic from a website I sometimes read", come on. The text is critical of HN, not of you. Unless you think you're one of the people who leaves "comments containing blatant harassment, abuse, and bigotry directed at multiple Asahi Linux developers".
- lostmsu 3y ago
  This text is critical of him not in the content, but in the form it is presented. The author admits they were not able to persuade admins of HN to do as the author pleased, and then decided to kick the users.
  - mort96 3y ago
    Are you saying the text is critical of /u/serf? How so? Is /u/serf a moderator's alt? You're gonna have to explain.
    - lostmsu 3y ago
      It is not the text itself that is critical, it is the form of the presentation in conjunction with text contents.
      - mort96 3y ago
        You're gonna have to explain that more thoroughly, I'm not seeing it. I don't understand how it's possible to click a link on HN, see that message about "we have blocked HN because of a large amount of harassment in HN comment sections", and think the message is critical of me. I know I'm not writing comments which harass them, so I know it's not targeted at me.
- jemmyw 3y ago
  They're not blocking hn, they're blocking users who have visited hn. I had been following their project and I had not seen any disparaging comments on hn, nor had I joined any discussion. After finding the comments in question, at least the ones that hadn't been moderated away, they seemed pretty tame... unless there were worse that I couldn't find? In any case, consider that they've now turned a lot of conversation from being about their project to being about their blocking and they've directed a whole bunch of eyes away from their work to the comments they didn't like. Of course they're free to do so but it seems fairly counterproductive.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    They do get moderated eventually most of the time. But not always, and not fast. The "blocking people who visited HN" part is accurate, but that's only after HN decided to noreferrer Asahi links (unlike all others).
  - estebank 3y ago
    > They're not blocking hn, they're blocking users who have visited hn. IIRC, they used to block only on the referrer, until HN removed the referrer only for their domain (and I believe after that was pointed out from all outbound links).
mvncleaninst 3y ago
> separate the drama and direct it to those that can enact change I don't think it's just drama. You're saying that the way that they're handling this is immature and confrontational. It's hard to respond to something with perfect poise when it causes an inordinate amount of pain
mariusor 3y ago
I think it's slightly better than the hairy egg one.

by serf 3y ago

hot_gril 3y ago

Linux open source world has always been full of drama and unusual personalities. Just look at Richard "interject for a moment" Stallman and Linus "no YOU are full of bullshit" Torvalds. It's pretty fun ngl. Idk much about Asahi but seems like some guy is releasing incredibly impressive work while also trolling a bunch of grouchy people with the vtuber and anime stuff.

mort96 3y ago

"I'm being stereotyped as a 'HN user'" no you're not, they're just blocking HN. Stop being so fragile. "I'm not reading their tech blog because they blocked traffic from a website I sometimes read", come on. The text is critical of HN, not of you. Unless you think you're one of the people who leaves "comments containing blatant harassment, abuse, and bigotry directed at multiple Asahi Linux developers".

lostmsu 3y ago
This text is critical of him not in the content, but in the form it is presented. The author admits they were not able to persuade admins of HN to do as the author pleased, and then decided to kick the users.
- mort96 3y ago
  Are you saying the text is critical of /u/serf? How so? Is /u/serf a moderator's alt? You're gonna have to explain.
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    It is not the text itself that is critical, it is the form of the presentation in conjunction with text contents.
    - mort96 3y ago
      You're gonna have to explain that more thoroughly, I'm not seeing it. I don't understand how it's possible to click a link on HN, see that message about "we have blocked HN because of a large amount of harassment in HN comment sections", and think the message is critical of me. I know I'm not writing comments which harass them, so I know it's not targeted at me.
jemmyw 3y ago
They're not blocking hn, they're blocking users who have visited hn. I had been following their project and I had not seen any disparaging comments on hn, nor had I joined any discussion. After finding the comments in question, at least the ones that hadn't been moderated away, they seemed pretty tame... unless there were worse that I couldn't find? In any case, consider that they've now turned a lot of conversation from being about their project to being about their blocking and they've directed a whole bunch of eyes away from their work to the comments they didn't like. Of course they're free to do so but it seems fairly counterproductive.
- _cenw 3y ago
  They do get moderated eventually most of the time. But not always, and not fast. The "blocking people who visited HN" part is accurate, but that's only after HN decided to noreferrer Asahi links (unlike all others).
- estebank 3y ago
  > They're not blocking hn, they're blocking users who have visited hn. IIRC, they used to block only on the referrer, until HN removed the referrer only for their domain (and I believe after that was pointed out from all outbound links).

mvncleaninst 3y ago

> separate the drama and direct it to those that can enact change I don't think it's just drama. You're saying that the way that they're handling this is immature and confrontational. It's hard to respond to something with perfect poise when it causes an inordinate amount of pain

mariusor 3y ago

I think it's slightly better than the hairy egg one.