The dialogue at the end of the transcript (Find "OK, Lauren, so it sounded when") does a good job at outlining the difficulty of clearly demarcating the concept

The dialogue at the end of the transcript (Find "OK, Lauren, so it sounded when") does a good job at outlining the difficulty of clearly demarcating the concepts of ownership and intellectual property. Our metaphors are undeniably outmoded and there is a powerful corporate faction vying to be the one to cement the new metaphors that are favourable to their profits. >I think I'm just saying that ownership is always a construct, and, you know, owning a house, owning the land that it's on, owning any object is a construct. Like money as a construct or corporations as a construct. All of these things are constructs that we've built, we've created, to make society work, and we can choose to change them. And maybe what I'm saying is it's not obvious to me that it's wrong to change the construct of ownership. I think where I come down on the same side as you is that the common thread in all of this is that corporations are getting more power over individuals, and they're getting to choose for us what can we have, what can we see, what can we change, how our experience is shaped. And that feels uncomfortable. It's, it's the power and control part. It's less even about the concept of ownership itself.