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Actually, looking into this a bit more, NEETs are not primarily men! https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/2391/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/

Actually, looking into this a bit more, NEETs are not primarily men! https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/2391/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/2391/ says its almost 50/50!

YellOh 3y ago
The original article here also says "The largest proportion of people affected [by being a hikkikomori] were in their 40s or 50s and roughly equally divided between men and women." The Center for Economic and Policy Research actually notes significantly more female than male NEETs, though the female NEETs were also more likely to be disabled or caretaking for dependants. [0] I doubt this is misandry in any meaningful sense. [0] https://cepr.net/report/are-young-men-falling-behind-young-women-the-neet-rate-helps-shed-light-on-the-matter/ https://cepr.net/report/are-young-men-falling-behind-young-w...
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- throwaway33381 3y ago
  Those aren't NEETs but rather unemployed men unable to continue working often they're construction workers who's bodies give out. Since they are unable to be retrained in the Japanese system they often end up destitute and homeless. Along side recently divorced women unable to re-enter into the workforce it's two issues that are occurring simultaneously. There are some forms of resources for the women but the men are often left abandoned.
  - YellOh 3y ago
    Are you replying to the link I posted? One of the summary bullet points: "More than half of young women not employed or in school (54 percent) fall into one of three categories related to disability and potential care obligations — have a disability, live with a disabled adult, or live with at least one of their children — compared to just over one-third of men who are not employed or in school (35 percent)." The male NEETs in CEPR data were less likely to have a traditionally "good reason" for being a NEET. NEET men were only slightly more likely to be disabled themselves than NEET women, and given the higher total count of NEET women, I'd guess this breaks out to about an equal number of each gender being NEET for reasons of their own disability. I agree there does seem to be a disparity in resources for NEETs, though.
whstl 3y ago
This study [1] in the top post [2] says it's 90% men. [1] http://ijfs.padovauniversitypress.it/system/files/papers/IJFS-2016-1-4.pdf http://ijfs.padovauniversitypress.it/system/files/papers/IJF... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971969
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  That study is much older, though. 2016. This recent government study was reported on in 2023. That 90% quote actually references an even older study, 2008! It could be possible that studies on NEET people were themselves biased in 2008 in a way that future surveys have resolved. Otherwise it might indicate there's a huge wave of women withdrawing from society over the past decade or so, which is a holy fuck situation.
  - Brusco_RF 3y ago
    You correctly point out that the 2016 study might be flawed, but you don't seem to consider the same of the newer study. Why?
    - EatingWithForks 3y ago
      I like newer data than older data, especially since the 2016 study is actually referencing a 2008 study. If we assume they're both true then we shouldn't be talking about men at all, and exclusively focus on the rapid retreat of women from society!
      - Brusco_RF 3y ago
        I actually have less faith in social scientists to design an unbiased study on a sensitive topic in 2023 than I did in 2008. That was my only point

YellOh 3y ago

The original article here also says "The largest proportion of people affected [by being a hikkikomori] were in their 40s or 50s and roughly equally divided between men and women." The Center for Economic and Policy Research actually notes significantly more female than male NEETs, though the female NEETs were also more likely to be disabled or caretaking for dependants. [0] I doubt this is misandry in any meaningful sense. [0] https://cepr.net/report/are-young-men-falling-behind-young-women-the-neet-rate-helps-shed-light-on-the-matter/ https://cepr.net/report/are-young-men-falling-behind-young-w...

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throwaway33381 3y ago
Those aren't NEETs but rather unemployed men unable to continue working often they're construction workers who's bodies give out. Since they are unable to be retrained in the Japanese system they often end up destitute and homeless. Along side recently divorced women unable to re-enter into the workforce it's two issues that are occurring simultaneously. There are some forms of resources for the women but the men are often left abandoned.
- YellOh 3y ago
  Are you replying to the link I posted? One of the summary bullet points: "More than half of young women not employed or in school (54 percent) fall into one of three categories related to disability and potential care obligations — have a disability, live with a disabled adult, or live with at least one of their children — compared to just over one-third of men who are not employed or in school (35 percent)." The male NEETs in CEPR data were less likely to have a traditionally "good reason" for being a NEET. NEET men were only slightly more likely to be disabled themselves than NEET women, and given the higher total count of NEET women, I'd guess this breaks out to about an equal number of each gender being NEET for reasons of their own disability. I agree there does seem to be a disparity in resources for NEETs, though.

whstl 3y ago

This study [1] in the top post [2] says it's 90% men. [1] http://ijfs.padovauniversitypress.it/system/files/papers/IJFS-2016-1-4.pdf http://ijfs.padovauniversitypress.it/system/files/papers/IJF... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971969

EatingWithForks 3y ago
That study is much older, though. 2016. This recent government study was reported on in 2023. That 90% quote actually references an even older study, 2008! It could be possible that studies on NEET people were themselves biased in 2008 in a way that future surveys have resolved. Otherwise it might indicate there's a huge wave of women withdrawing from society over the past decade or so, which is a holy fuck situation.
- Brusco_RF 3y ago
  You correctly point out that the 2016 study might be flawed, but you don't seem to consider the same of the newer study. Why?
  - EatingWithForks 3y ago
    I like newer data than older data, especially since the 2016 study is actually referencing a 2008 study. If we assume they're both true then we shouldn't be talking about men at all, and exclusively focus on the rapid retreat of women from society!
    - Brusco_RF 3y ago
      I actually have less faith in social scientists to design an unbiased study on a sensitive topic in 2023 than I did in 2008. That was my only point