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Uhh, did no one bother that the author claimed 39C for the Andes but like, the chart itself shows about 16C for the peaks? or am I reading the chart wrong? I'm

Uhh, did no one bother that the author claimed 39C for the Andes but like, the chart itself shows about 16C for the peaks? or am I reading the chart wrong? I'm brazilian and I'm pretty sure that if this was actually true, we'd have heard this on the news and not on a random twitter profile. EDIT: unless someone can point me to an actual reputable source, this is fake. I googled for "chilean andine record winter temperatures" and there's not a single source claiming it reached over 30C this year mid-winter. EDIT2: and I can't find it either on weather forecast websites any absurdly high temperatures for these regions.

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madaxe_again 3y ago
You are indeed reading the chart incorrectly. The chart is temperature ANOMALY - so that’s 16 to 18 degrees over the normal temperature - not absolute temperature. Link with absolute readings. https://twitter.com/ThierryGooseBC/status/1686499186706087939?s=20 https://twitter.com/ThierryGooseBC/status/168649918670608793... I’m unsurprised you’re not seeing it in tv news in Brazil - your country denies the existence of climate change, and wants to chop down the Amazon for a quick buck. It would hardly fit with the popular narrative.
- fdgjgbdfhgb 3y ago
  > I’m unsurprised you’re not seeing it in tv news in Brazil - your country denies the existence of climate change, and wants to chop down the Amazon for a quick buck. It would hardly fit with the popular narrative. This is a very uninformed take that generalizes a country of 200M+ people. Believe it or not, but people in Brazil are just as worried about climate change as you
- xinayder 3y ago
  > I’m unsurprised you’re not seeing it in tv news in Brazil - your country denies the existence of climate change, and wants to chop down the Amazon for a quick buck. It would hardly fit with the popular narrative. Just because from 2018-2022 we had a dumbass as a president doesn't mean the average brazilian doesn't worry about it. Traditional US-stupidity nonsense on this comment.
  - madaxe_again 3y ago
    I’m not American, I speak Portuguese, and I’ve spent enough time in Brazil to know that the average Brazilian doesn’t know or care about the environment. Sure, some people do, but they’re a minority. The proof is in the pudding. Are you going to tell me that Amazon deforestation is a U.S. lie to make Brasil look bad? That your economy isn’t dependent on the pillage of the environment? I’d guess so, as you apparently can’t read a basic graph and yourself deny the reality of climate change: “this is fake” “absurd temperatures”.
    - xinayder 3y ago
      > I’d guess so, as you apparently can’t read a basic graph and yourself deny the reality of climate change: “this is fake” “absurd temperatures”. and you should go back to kindergarten and learn how to read and understand text. I said I wouldn't believe it because the chart to me looked like a temperature chart, I didn't see anything there that shows temperature anomaly, probably because I overlooked it. Plus, there were no news articles by the time I wrote that comment that stated what was written on the tweet. I'm not blindly accepting everything I read on the internet as a fact, so I am a climate change denier because I questioned a tweet from a random, unverified user? > Are you going to tell me that Amazon deforestation is a U.S. lie to make Brasil look bad? That your economy isn’t dependent on the pillage of the environment? What about your country and all the other "first-world" countries that have erased all their forests from existence and are trying to lecture emerging countries how to "save the environment"? You can't even preserve your own green space or approve projects to restore it, yet you try to poke your nose into something that is out of your jurisdiction. What about your economies that are dependent on funding shady companies that do the dirty work for them, pillaging emerging countries for their natural resources and trying to portray the "save the environment" person? Truth be told, companies like these exist everywhere, not just on the southern hemisphere, and if they are active, it means there are buyers, and believe it or not, the top destination for these deforested resources is Europe. > I’ve spent enough time in Brazil to know that the average Brazilian doesn’t know or care about the environment. I don't know where you've been, but I can tell you that just because we don't talk about it everyday it doesn't mean we don't care about it. You're not brazilian, you don't know how we live and some people have other things to care about, i.e., how they are going to get their food on the table for them and their kids, before they engage in a discussion like that. Are you also going to say we are dumb enough to not care about health? Let me remind you that once we got the COVID vaccines, millions of people went to get vaxxed and it was quick (ignoring the bureaucratic parts, obviously) because even though our public health system is sacked and barely gets any funding from the government, we managed to distribute the shots in a timely manner. I'm sorry but you're just being an imperialistic prick with a classic "oh I'm from X country I am immediately better than everyone" argument.
hi_dr_nick 3y ago
Not sure if real or not, but the figure is showing temperature anomaly... basically difference from average. So the numbers do line up.
wewxjfq 3y ago
The chart shows the temperature anomaly, i.e. how much the temperature differs from the temperatures observed in the reference period. I can't say anything about the website that generated the chart, but ECMWF is legit and when I look at the ECMWF models, I can see similar anomalies for South America right now, so the chart is correct. The claim about the 39°C in the Andes doesn't seem right however. They are having large anomalies, but since the temperatures should be below or near zero there, a +10°C anomaly only causes sweatshirt weather and not summer heat.
tvaughan 3y ago
I live in the south of Chile. There has been snow only one year within the last three. There is not a person alive who remembers a season without snow. Normally there should be about three meters where we live. This is as extreme as if there was no snow in Lake Tahoe.
tomaspollak 3y ago
> I googled for "chilean andine record winter temperatures" and there's not a single source claiming it reached over 30C this year mid-winter. Maybe that's because chilean media outlets are written in spanish instead of english. :)
- xinayder 3y ago
  As I googled it again today, there was this news article in a brazilian media outlet: https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-registra-389c-nos-andes-durante-o-inverno-em-meio-a-onda-de-calor-na-america-do-sul.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-... posted 10h ago
xinayder 3y ago
There's this article from a brazilian newspaper posted 10h ago: https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-registra-389c-nos-andes-durante-o-inverno-em-meio-a-onda-de-calor-na-america-do-sul.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-...

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madaxe_again 3y ago

You are indeed reading the chart incorrectly. The chart is temperature ANOMALY - so that’s 16 to 18 degrees over the normal temperature - not absolute temperature. Link with absolute readings. https://twitter.com/ThierryGooseBC/status/1686499186706087939?s=20 https://twitter.com/ThierryGooseBC/status/168649918670608793... I’m unsurprised you’re not seeing it in tv news in Brazil - your country denies the existence of climate change, and wants to chop down the Amazon for a quick buck. It would hardly fit with the popular narrative.

fdgjgbdfhgb 3y ago
> I’m unsurprised you’re not seeing it in tv news in Brazil - your country denies the existence of climate change, and wants to chop down the Amazon for a quick buck. It would hardly fit with the popular narrative. This is a very uninformed take that generalizes a country of 200M+ people. Believe it or not, but people in Brazil are just as worried about climate change as you
xinayder 3y ago
> I’m unsurprised you’re not seeing it in tv news in Brazil - your country denies the existence of climate change, and wants to chop down the Amazon for a quick buck. It would hardly fit with the popular narrative. Just because from 2018-2022 we had a dumbass as a president doesn't mean the average brazilian doesn't worry about it. Traditional US-stupidity nonsense on this comment.
- madaxe_again 3y ago
  I’m not American, I speak Portuguese, and I’ve spent enough time in Brazil to know that the average Brazilian doesn’t know or care about the environment. Sure, some people do, but they’re a minority. The proof is in the pudding. Are you going to tell me that Amazon deforestation is a U.S. lie to make Brasil look bad? That your economy isn’t dependent on the pillage of the environment? I’d guess so, as you apparently can’t read a basic graph and yourself deny the reality of climate change: “this is fake” “absurd temperatures”.
  - xinayder 3y ago
    > I’d guess so, as you apparently can’t read a basic graph and yourself deny the reality of climate change: “this is fake” “absurd temperatures”. and you should go back to kindergarten and learn how to read and understand text. I said I wouldn't believe it because the chart to me looked like a temperature chart, I didn't see anything there that shows temperature anomaly, probably because I overlooked it. Plus, there were no news articles by the time I wrote that comment that stated what was written on the tweet. I'm not blindly accepting everything I read on the internet as a fact, so I am a climate change denier because I questioned a tweet from a random, unverified user? > Are you going to tell me that Amazon deforestation is a U.S. lie to make Brasil look bad? That your economy isn’t dependent on the pillage of the environment? What about your country and all the other "first-world" countries that have erased all their forests from existence and are trying to lecture emerging countries how to "save the environment"? You can't even preserve your own green space or approve projects to restore it, yet you try to poke your nose into something that is out of your jurisdiction. What about your economies that are dependent on funding shady companies that do the dirty work for them, pillaging emerging countries for their natural resources and trying to portray the "save the environment" person? Truth be told, companies like these exist everywhere, not just on the southern hemisphere, and if they are active, it means there are buyers, and believe it or not, the top destination for these deforested resources is Europe. > I’ve spent enough time in Brazil to know that the average Brazilian doesn’t know or care about the environment. I don't know where you've been, but I can tell you that just because we don't talk about it everyday it doesn't mean we don't care about it. You're not brazilian, you don't know how we live and some people have other things to care about, i.e., how they are going to get their food on the table for them and their kids, before they engage in a discussion like that. Are you also going to say we are dumb enough to not care about health? Let me remind you that once we got the COVID vaccines, millions of people went to get vaxxed and it was quick (ignoring the bureaucratic parts, obviously) because even though our public health system is sacked and barely gets any funding from the government, we managed to distribute the shots in a timely manner. I'm sorry but you're just being an imperialistic prick with a classic "oh I'm from X country I am immediately better than everyone" argument.

hi_dr_nick 3y ago

Not sure if real or not, but the figure is showing temperature anomaly... basically difference from average. So the numbers do line up.

wewxjfq 3y ago

The chart shows the temperature anomaly, i.e. how much the temperature differs from the temperatures observed in the reference period. I can't say anything about the website that generated the chart, but ECMWF is legit and when I look at the ECMWF models, I can see similar anomalies for South America right now, so the chart is correct. The claim about the 39°C in the Andes doesn't seem right however. They are having large anomalies, but since the temperatures should be below or near zero there, a +10°C anomaly only causes sweatshirt weather and not summer heat.

tvaughan 3y ago

I live in the south of Chile. There has been snow only one year within the last three. There is not a person alive who remembers a season without snow. Normally there should be about three meters where we live. This is as extreme as if there was no snow in Lake Tahoe.

tomaspollak 3y ago

> I googled for "chilean andine record winter temperatures" and there's not a single source claiming it reached over 30C this year mid-winter. Maybe that's because chilean media outlets are written in spanish instead of english. :)

xinayder 3y ago
As I googled it again today, there was this news article in a brazilian media outlet: https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-registra-389c-nos-andes-durante-o-inverno-em-meio-a-onda-de-calor-na-america-do-sul.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-... posted 10h ago

xinayder 3y ago

There's this article from a brazilian newspaper posted 10h ago: https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-registra-389c-nos-andes-durante-o-inverno-em-meio-a-onda-de-calor-na-america-do-sul.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/meio-ambiente/noticia/2023/08/02/chile-...