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I fail to see how that is different from our current President. I'm surprised when Biden actually says something truthful. He's still telling people that his

I fail to see how that is different from our current President. I'm surprised when Biden actually says something truthful. He's still telling people that his son Beau died in a combat tour in Iraq, when he died from cancer in a hospital in the US.

fabian2k 3y ago
Joe Biden has said that the cancer was probably caused by the burn pits during the war. Which is plausible, though of course hard to substantiate. So attributing the death to the war is rather confusing and potentially misleading. But if this is the first thing you think about when claiming Biden is as bad as Trump in lying, I think it is obvious that this is nowhere near the same level.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  Biden has literally said Beau died in Iraq. Biden also said 150 million Americans were killed by guns. For context that’s almost half the US population. I can find egregious Joe Biden quotes and lies all day. He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump. He's not, that's the thing—it's not even close. This is math, not opinions.
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      Joe Biden is a serial plagiarist… https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden-first-presidential-run-1988-2019-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden... He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-truck-provokes-skepticism-1614183 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Biden has been in politics for over 50 years (he’s old enough to have issued political statements against school desegregation because he didn’t want his kids to grow up in what he called a “racial jungle”), so I can find his well documented lies all day long. Trump is definitely a liar, but it’s hard to argue that he’s worse than Biden or other politicians on this topic.
      - mcphage 3y ago
        > He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… > https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Really? This is what you have—he said he drove a truck when he only rode in it? This is the kind of thing that you think that makes it hard to argue that Trump is worse?
        lockhouse 3y ago
        How many speeches has Trump plagiarized? Here’s another huge Biden lie… He said that he graduated in the top half of his class in law school, but he really ranked 76th out of 85. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-biden-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-b... Like I said, I can continue this thread all day until I prove to you that Biden is a pathological liar.
        mcphage 3y ago
        > Like I said, I can continue this thread all day until I prove to you that Biden is a pathological liar. You're comparing it to a man who lied over 30,000 times in his 4 years of office. You could continue this all day, and the next day, and the next, and you still won't get anywhere near that.
        lockhouse 3y ago
        Some quick back of napkin math gives us: 365 * 4 + 1 day for leap year = 1461 days in office 30,000 / 1461 = 20.5 lies per day on average That seems like the media was either excessively nitpicky about what Trump said being a lie, or that number is a tad inflated. Maybe it's some of A and some of B? The other thing to consider is that Trump gave way more speeches than Biden has at this point in their respective presidencies. I think to do a proper statistical analysis we would need to normalize for the fact that Biden largely hides from the press and when he does talk to them he mostly calls on friendly reporters to answer preselected questions that he already has a prepared answer for. (This is documented fact. He has been caught several times with cheat sheets that tell him what reporters to call on and in what order so that they match his note cards.) He's had much fewer opportunities to lie.

fabian2k 3y ago

Joe Biden has said that the cancer was probably caused by the burn pits during the war. Which is plausible, though of course hard to substantiate. So attributing the death to the war is rather confusing and potentially misleading. But if this is the first thing you think about when claiming Biden is as bad as Trump in lying, I think it is obvious that this is nowhere near the same level.

lockhouse 3y ago
Biden has literally said Beau died in Iraq. Biden also said 150 million Americans were killed by guns. For context that’s almost half the US population. I can find egregious Joe Biden quotes and lies all day. He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump.
- mcphage 3y ago
  > He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump. He's not, that's the thing—it's not even close. This is math, not opinions.
  - lockhouse 3y ago
    Joe Biden is a serial plagiarist… https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden-first-presidential-run-1988-2019-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden... He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-truck-provokes-skepticism-1614183 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Biden has been in politics for over 50 years (he’s old enough to have issued political statements against school desegregation because he didn’t want his kids to grow up in what he called a “racial jungle”), so I can find his well documented lies all day long. Trump is definitely a liar, but it’s hard to argue that he’s worse than Biden or other politicians on this topic.
    - mcphage 3y ago
      > He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… > https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Really? This is what you have—he said he drove a truck when he only rode in it? This is the kind of thing that you think that makes it hard to argue that Trump is worse?
      - lockhouse 3y ago
        How many speeches has Trump plagiarized? Here’s another huge Biden lie… He said that he graduated in the top half of his class in law school, but he really ranked 76th out of 85. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-biden-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-b... Like I said, I can continue this thread all day until I prove to you that Biden is a pathological liar.
        mcphage 3y ago
        > Like I said, I can continue this thread all day until I prove to you that Biden is a pathological liar. You're comparing it to a man who lied over 30,000 times in his 4 years of office. You could continue this all day, and the next day, and the next, and you still won't get anywhere near that.
        lockhouse 3y ago
        Some quick back of napkin math gives us: 365 * 4 + 1 day for leap year = 1461 days in office 30,000 / 1461 = 20.5 lies per day on average That seems like the media was either excessively nitpicky about what Trump said being a lie, or that number is a tad inflated. Maybe it's some of A and some of B? The other thing to consider is that Trump gave way more speeches than Biden has at this point in their respective presidencies. I think to do a proper statistical analysis we would need to normalize for the fact that Biden largely hides from the press and when he does talk to them he mostly calls on friendly reporters to answer preselected questions that he already has a prepared answer for. (This is documented fact. He has been caught several times with cheat sheets that tell him what reporters to call on and in what order so that they match his note cards.) He's had much fewer opportunities to lie.