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There is still a very large and fundamental difference between the kind of election promise breaking you expect from most politicians and what Trump did. He was

There is still a very large and fundamental difference between the kind of election promise breaking you expect from most politicians and what Trump did. He was constantly lying about everything and denying reality. That is not how all politicians behave.

roenxi 3y ago
The US government has a history - a long, storied and very visible history - of moving armies around killing people for stupid reasons. Partly because of special interest lobbying by the military industrial complex, partly because they are oblivious to the destruction and it is convenient to them politically. Afghanistan alone was multiple trillions of dollars. The cost in lives was higher than that. That type of reality denying - which goes beyond any one politician and highlights the rot of the entire apparatus is much more concerning than Trump. That is how the majority of politicians behave. And, hot take, Trump probably would have pushed against starting those wars if that recording they're trying to convict him with [0] is any evidence. There is a pretty good chance that is why the entrenched players are so keen to get rid of him in fact. The powers in Washington clearly have no problem with liars because a lot of them keep happily plugging away. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPyua_6ht9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPyua_6ht9Y
lockhouse 3y ago
I fail to see how that is different from our current President. I'm surprised when Biden actually says something truthful. He's still telling people that his son Beau died in a combat tour in Iraq, when he died from cancer in a hospital in the US.
- fabian2k 3y ago
  Joe Biden has said that the cancer was probably caused by the burn pits during the war. Which is plausible, though of course hard to substantiate. So attributing the death to the war is rather confusing and potentially misleading. But if this is the first thing you think about when claiming Biden is as bad as Trump in lying, I think it is obvious that this is nowhere near the same level.
  - lockhouse 3y ago
    Biden has literally said Beau died in Iraq. Biden also said 150 million Americans were killed by guns. For context that’s almost half the US population. I can find egregious Joe Biden quotes and lies all day. He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump.
    - mcphage 3y ago
      > He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump. He's not, that's the thing—it's not even close. This is math, not opinions.
      - lockhouse 3y ago
        Joe Biden is a serial plagiarist… https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden-first-presidential-run-1988-2019-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden... He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-truck-provokes-skepticism-1614183 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Biden has been in politics for over 50 years (he’s old enough to have issued political statements against school desegregation because he didn’t want his kids to grow up in what he called a “racial jungle”), so I can find his well documented lies all day long. Trump is definitely a liar, but it’s hard to argue that he’s worse than Biden or other politicians on this topic.
        mcphage 3y ago
        > He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… > https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Really? This is what you have—he said he drove a truck when he only rode in it? This is the kind of thing that you think that makes it hard to argue that Trump is worse?
        lockhouse 3y ago
        How many speeches has Trump plagiarized? Here’s another huge Biden lie… He said that he graduated in the top half of his class in law school, but he really ranked 76th out of 85. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-biden-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-b... Like I said, I can continue this thread all day until I prove to you that Biden is a pathological liar.
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roenxi 3y ago

The US government has a history - a long, storied and very visible history - of moving armies around killing people for stupid reasons. Partly because of special interest lobbying by the military industrial complex, partly because they are oblivious to the destruction and it is convenient to them politically. Afghanistan alone was multiple trillions of dollars. The cost in lives was higher than that. That type of reality denying - which goes beyond any one politician and highlights the rot of the entire apparatus is much more concerning than Trump. That is how the majority of politicians behave. And, hot take, Trump probably would have pushed against starting those wars if that recording they're trying to convict him with [0] is any evidence. There is a pretty good chance that is why the entrenched players are so keen to get rid of him in fact. The powers in Washington clearly have no problem with liars because a lot of them keep happily plugging away. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPyua_6ht9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPyua_6ht9Y

lockhouse 3y ago

I fail to see how that is different from our current President. I'm surprised when Biden actually says something truthful. He's still telling people that his son Beau died in a combat tour in Iraq, when he died from cancer in a hospital in the US.

fabian2k 3y ago
Joe Biden has said that the cancer was probably caused by the burn pits during the war. Which is plausible, though of course hard to substantiate. So attributing the death to the war is rather confusing and potentially misleading. But if this is the first thing you think about when claiming Biden is as bad as Trump in lying, I think it is obvious that this is nowhere near the same level.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  Biden has literally said Beau died in Iraq. Biden also said 150 million Americans were killed by guns. For context that’s almost half the US population. I can find egregious Joe Biden quotes and lies all day. He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > He’s at least as much of a liar as Trump. He's not, that's the thing—it's not even close. This is math, not opinions.
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      Joe Biden is a serial plagiarist… https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden-first-presidential-run-1988-2019-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden... He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-truck-provokes-skepticism-1614183 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Biden has been in politics for over 50 years (he’s old enough to have issued political statements against school desegregation because he didn’t want his kids to grow up in what he called a “racial jungle”), so I can find his well documented lies all day long. Trump is definitely a liar, but it’s hard to argue that he’s worse than Biden or other politicians on this topic.
      - mcphage 3y ago
        > He also lied about driving an 18-wheeler… > https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-claim-drove-18-wheeler-tr... Really? This is what you have—he said he drove a truck when he only rode in it? This is the kind of thing that you think that makes it hard to argue that Trump is worse?
        lockhouse 3y ago
        How many speeches has Trump plagiarized? Here’s another huge Biden lie… He said that he graduated in the top half of his class in law school, but he really ranked 76th out of 85. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-biden-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/that-time-joe-b... Like I said, I can continue this thread all day until I prove to you that Biden is a pathological liar.

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