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The OP actually said something nearly opposite to that… > Without shame, many people unfortunately need an authority figure to step in and moderate their behav
by grncdr 3y ago
The OP actually said something nearly opposite to that…
> Without shame, many people unfortunately need an authority figure to step in and moderate their behaviour.
This is an argument against relying on authority figures to replace the role of shame and implicit social contract. I honestly don’t know how they could have made that more clear than when they continued with this:
> It will likely result in people reaching for a paternal “strongman” figure and a subsequent slide into (probably) fascism.
Again, the argument is that _without_ shame and a shared social contract, the replacement by explicit state authority to moderate harmful behaviors drifts towards fascism.
- goodpoint 3y ago> Again, the argument is that _without_ shame and a shared social contract, the replacement by explicit state authority to moderate harmful behaviors drifts towards fascism. The argument is plain wrong. Fascism and nazism were driven by fear and shame from day one. You can find transcriptions from early talks from the dictators and others.
- grncdr 3y agoSure, I’m not trying to make the argument of the OP, just clarify it because I do think it warrants consideration. Regarding the role of shame in the rise of fascism (and the NSDAP). I agree it played a role, but I would characterize that as an (all too successful) exploit of human psychology. My opinion is that “shame” as a basic human emotion does perform an important function in our social fabric, and trying to inoculate ourselves against it en masse is not without its downsides.
- goodpoint 3y agoYou opinion goes against modern science: psychology, pedagogy and sociology agree that positive feedback is much more effective than negative and it's healthier in the long run.