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I think (at least with my comment that's one of the kind you alluded to) my hope is that it replaces huge piles of JavaScript code. I have, sadly, no illusions

I think (at least with my comment that's one of the kind you alluded to) my hope is that it replaces huge piles of JavaScript code. I have, sadly, no illusions of a JS-free web, but at least we could get rid of huge gobs of it and have more-standard UX that the system can help guide and shape (with the benefits that entails). It also enables a whole slew of new applications to be made that need way less JS than we used to need. So while, sure, these might be in-place "upgrades" for existing Enterprise TS apps, the hope is that it'll allow shunning those Enterprise Frameworks entirely for net-new app development. Or at least, a boy can dream, right?

devjab 3y ago
I've worked with Enterprise Frontends since the Mainframe CICS systems and I'm not sure why things like React and Angular gets such hate for Enterprise apps. I can't think of a single way of doing client server applications in an enterprise setting that's ever been nicer to work with. To be completely honest CICS was better than most GUI attempts from Java and C#, and it was a console UI. I'm not saying JS frameworks can't be overused. I'm not personally afraid of the page refresh, but it's not like it was a joy to work with websites before these enterprise frameworks. Maybe WebGPU and to some extend WASM (and whatever is going on with that) will change things, but probably not.
- treis 3y ago
  Enterprises want stability and front end technology has been everything but stable.
  - devjab 3y ago
    I’m not sure about that. Some of the ASP web forms frontends that I build something like 13 years ago are still being happily consumed today. The only thing enterprise really cares about is money, and IT getting in the way, in any way, is costing money. Web fronts have been instrumental in cutting down the hate on enterprise applications in any org that I’ve worked with over the years. You’d see something with a great WPF frontend score a 3/10 and something with a shitty Vue frontend score 9/10 because it just worked, was never slow and “never needed to be updated”.

devjab 3y ago

I've worked with Enterprise Frontends since the Mainframe CICS systems and I'm not sure why things like React and Angular gets such hate for Enterprise apps. I can't think of a single way of doing client server applications in an enterprise setting that's ever been nicer to work with. To be completely honest CICS was better than most GUI attempts from Java and C#, and it was a console UI. I'm not saying JS frameworks can't be overused. I'm not personally afraid of the page refresh, but it's not like it was a joy to work with websites before these enterprise frameworks. Maybe WebGPU and to some extend WASM (and whatever is going on with that) will change things, but probably not.

treis 3y ago
Enterprises want stability and front end technology has been everything but stable.
- devjab 3y ago
  I’m not sure about that. Some of the ASP web forms frontends that I build something like 13 years ago are still being happily consumed today. The only thing enterprise really cares about is money, and IT getting in the way, in any way, is costing money. Web fronts have been instrumental in cutting down the hate on enterprise applications in any org that I’ve worked with over the years. You’d see something with a great WPF frontend score a 3/10 and something with a shitty Vue frontend score 9/10 because it just worked, was never slow and “never needed to be updated”.