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I find it interesting that many of the comments here seem to view this as an anti JS article. To me a lot of these are going to be immensely useful tools in com

by devjab 3y ago

I find it interesting that many of the comments here seem to view this as an anti JS article. To me a lot of these are going to be immensely useful tools in combination with the TS heavy frameworks we use for modern Enterprise App frontends, exactly because they are HTML native tools that aren’t going to require a bunch of stuff. Like the meter tag, which I assume will replace every loading module we currently use in React when I get to work today because that is soooooooo much better than what we currently use. But maybe I’m just misunderstanding people, or the article in some way. But to me this is very interesting even if your entire frontend is basically all TypeScript like many larger applications are today.

klardotsh 3y ago
I think (at least with my comment that's one of the kind you alluded to) my hope is that it replaces huge piles of JavaScript code. I have, sadly, no illusions of a JS-free web, but at least we could get rid of huge gobs of it and have more-standard UX that the system can help guide and shape (with the benefits that entails). It also enables a whole slew of new applications to be made that need way less JS than we used to need. So while, sure, these might be in-place "upgrades" for existing Enterprise TS apps, the hope is that it'll allow shunning those Enterprise Frameworks entirely for net-new app development. Or at least, a boy can dream, right?
- devjab 3y ago
  I've worked with Enterprise Frontends since the Mainframe CICS systems and I'm not sure why things like React and Angular gets such hate for Enterprise apps. I can't think of a single way of doing client server applications in an enterprise setting that's ever been nicer to work with. To be completely honest CICS was better than most GUI attempts from Java and C#, and it was a console UI. I'm not saying JS frameworks can't be overused. I'm not personally afraid of the page refresh, but it's not like it was a joy to work with websites before these enterprise frameworks. Maybe WebGPU and to some extend WASM (and whatever is going on with that) will change things, but probably not.
  - treis 3y ago
    Enterprises want stability and front end technology has been everything but stable.
    - devjab 3y ago
      I’m not sure about that. Some of the ASP web forms frontends that I build something like 13 years ago are still being happily consumed today. The only thing enterprise really cares about is money, and IT getting in the way, in any way, is costing money. Web fronts have been instrumental in cutting down the hate on enterprise applications in any org that I’ve worked with over the years. You’d see something with a great WPF frontend score a 3/10 and something with a shitty Vue frontend score 9/10 because it just worked, was never slow and “never needed to be updated”.

by devjab 3y ago

klardotsh 3y ago

I think (at least with my comment that's one of the kind you alluded to) my hope is that it replaces huge piles of JavaScript code. I have, sadly, no illusions of a JS-free web, but at least we could get rid of huge gobs of it and have more-standard UX that the system can help guide and shape (with the benefits that entails). It also enables a whole slew of new applications to be made that need way less JS than we used to need. So while, sure, these might be in-place "upgrades" for existing Enterprise TS apps, the hope is that it'll allow shunning those Enterprise Frameworks entirely for net-new app development. Or at least, a boy can dream, right?

devjab 3y ago
I've worked with Enterprise Frontends since the Mainframe CICS systems and I'm not sure why things like React and Angular gets such hate for Enterprise apps. I can't think of a single way of doing client server applications in an enterprise setting that's ever been nicer to work with. To be completely honest CICS was better than most GUI attempts from Java and C#, and it was a console UI. I'm not saying JS frameworks can't be overused. I'm not personally afraid of the page refresh, but it's not like it was a joy to work with websites before these enterprise frameworks. Maybe WebGPU and to some extend WASM (and whatever is going on with that) will change things, but probably not.
- treis 3y ago
  Enterprises want stability and front end technology has been everything but stable.
  - devjab 3y ago
    I’m not sure about that. Some of the ASP web forms frontends that I build something like 13 years ago are still being happily consumed today. The only thing enterprise really cares about is money, and IT getting in the way, in any way, is costing money. Web fronts have been instrumental in cutting down the hate on enterprise applications in any org that I’ve worked with over the years. You’d see something with a great WPF frontend score a 3/10 and something with a shitty Vue frontend score 9/10 because it just worked, was never slow and “never needed to be updated”.