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As someone strongly in the first camp and not the second, this feels like a very odd observation. I despise generative LLMs and avoid using them at every opport

As someone strongly in the first camp and not the second, this feels like a very odd observation. I despise generative LLMs and avoid using them at every opportunity. I'm also spending all my free time this week perusing arxiv preprints and Twitter threads. Make of my datum what you will. :)

serf 3y ago
> I despise generative LLMs and avoid using them at every opportunity. why? it's just a tool. despise how it was released, how it was trained, the people that operate it , whatever, but I can't really understand why someone would 'despise' a wrench -- even if it was used really poorly and produced by a shady company with a checkered past.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Same concept as blood money. To be dramatic, if the wrench was made with ore from a mine where your father worked, and he was killed and the ore was stolen, would you do business with the company that hired the mercenaries that killed him? Would you buy a wrench from them? if one fell into your hands, would you use it? It's just a wrench, after all, but you can see why somebody might have strong feelings about it, even if you ultimately disagree with them.
  - mewpmewp2 3y ago
    Most tech throughout history was built during wars and rough circumstances. With this mindset almost nothing should be used.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Ouch, downvoted hard. If anyone would like to say why, I'm all ears!
- jjahdhnmko 3y ago
  You really can't think of a reason? Or you don't want to think of a reason?
- johncalvinyoung 3y ago
  In rough order of priority (highest to lowest): a) I do not believe that it produces useful-quality results for almost any of my use cases (Even if other concerns were addressed, I don't want to generate buggy code I then have to debug). b) I believe many if not necessarily all generative AI models were trained unethically on copyrighted data c) I am worried about the legal & copyright implications of using the tool to produce work products for my employer d) I am concerned about the societal implications of the tool's existence, and how it's producing sub-human-scale work for (nearly) free, thereby eroding the market for a lot of human-produced output. e) I dislike the amplified volume of low-quality content online over the last few months. f) I'm not a fan of OpenAI as a business or a potential monopoly
bratbag 3y ago
Seems a bit foolish to leave that space on your toolbelt empty.

serf 3y ago

> I despise generative LLMs and avoid using them at every opportunity. why? it's just a tool. despise how it was released, how it was trained, the people that operate it , whatever, but I can't really understand why someone would 'despise' a wrench -- even if it was used really poorly and produced by a shady company with a checkered past.

fragmede 3y ago
Same concept as blood money. To be dramatic, if the wrench was made with ore from a mine where your father worked, and he was killed and the ore was stolen, would you do business with the company that hired the mercenaries that killed him? Would you buy a wrench from them? if one fell into your hands, would you use it? It's just a wrench, after all, but you can see why somebody might have strong feelings about it, even if you ultimately disagree with them.
- mewpmewp2 3y ago
  Most tech throughout history was built during wars and rough circumstances. With this mindset almost nothing should be used.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Ouch, downvoted hard. If anyone would like to say why, I'm all ears!
jjahdhnmko 3y ago
You really can't think of a reason? Or you don't want to think of a reason?
johncalvinyoung 3y ago
In rough order of priority (highest to lowest): a) I do not believe that it produces useful-quality results for almost any of my use cases (Even if other concerns were addressed, I don't want to generate buggy code I then have to debug). b) I believe many if not necessarily all generative AI models were trained unethically on copyrighted data c) I am worried about the legal & copyright implications of using the tool to produce work products for my employer d) I am concerned about the societal implications of the tool's existence, and how it's producing sub-human-scale work for (nearly) free, thereby eroding the market for a lot of human-produced output. e) I dislike the amplified volume of low-quality content online over the last few months. f) I'm not a fan of OpenAI as a business or a potential monopoly

bratbag 3y ago

Seems a bit foolish to leave that space on your toolbelt empty.